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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

Comments

  1. Scott says:

    I believe we should have universal healthcare. There are dozens of models around the world that work. Pick one. However, I’m feeling churlish about giving anything to rural America that continually votes in legislatures and policies that go against me and my family’s interests. Whether it’s education, healthcare, or energy. I should be a better person but right now I’m not feeling it.

    Rural providers, advocates push Texas Legislature to “rescue” maternal health care system

    Twenty five years ago, the Texas Legislature passed a sweeping set of reforms to resuscitate the state’s collapsing rural health care system.

    Now, health care providers, advocates and local leaders are proposing similarly aggressive action to pull the rural maternity care system back from the brink. The Rural Texas Maternal Health Rescue Plan is a package of proposals they’re hoping lawmakers will champion in this upcoming session.

    Almost half of all Texas counties offer no maternity care services, and more than a quarter of rural mothers live more than 30 minutes away from the nearest provider. Living in a “maternity care desert” contributes to delayed prenatal care, increased pregnancy complications and worse delivery outcomes. Women living in rural areas are more likely to die from pregnancy or childbirth-related causes, and infant mortality is also higher.

    But despite these sobering statistics, more rural hospitals are closing their labor and delivery units, leaving patients to travel long distances or deliver in under-equipped emergency rooms. Most of those that do still deliver babies lose money in the process, due to low Medicaid payments and too few deliveries to break even on round-the-clock staffing.

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  2. Scott says:

    @Scott: Same for this:

    Texas has billions pledged to expand broadband. Spending it is taking a while.

    The goal of expanding broadband availability in Texas has been a long time coming.

    Depending on the day, the finish line either looks closer than ever or so very far away.

    Late last month, Texas won final approval to use billions of federal money to help connect every corner of the sprawling state. The news came about 17 months after the $3.3 billion was first pledged for Texas — part of the bipartisan infrastructure deal signed by President Joe Biden.

    Yet two days after federal regulators OK’d the state’s plan to spend the money, Texas’ own junior U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz suggested in a letter that money might be delayed amid a presidential transition and Republicans taking control of Congress.

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  3. Sleeping Dog says:

    @Scott:

    Rather than continuing to subsidize the “rural” lifestyle, simply buy them out and let them move to the suburbs.

  4. wr says:

    @Scott: Obviously, offering medical care to pregnant women is a deliberate violation of God’s will — if He wants them to die in childbirth, who are we to oppose Him?

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  5. Jen says:

    This is very strange:

    C.E.O. of UnitedHealthcare Is Fatally Shot in Midtown Manhattan

    The executive, Brian Thompson, was shot in the chest in what people briefed on the investigations said appeared to be a targeted attack.

    A manhunt is underway. Here’s the latest.

    The chief executive of UnitedHealthcare, one of the nation’s largest health insurers, was fatally shot in the chest in Midtown Manhattan on Wednesday morning, according to a police report and two people familiar with the matter.

    The report said that the executive, Brian Thompson, 50, was shot just after 6:45 a.m. at 1335 Sixth Avenue, the address for the New York Hilton Midtown, according to the report. Mr. Thompson was taken to Mount Sinai West in critical condition.

    Police officers are still searching for the gunman, who fled east on foot along Sixth Avenue, the report said. He was wearing a cream-colored jacket, a black face mask and a gray backpack.

    The police believe Mr. Thompson was targeted in the attack, which happened during the company’s annual investor conference in New York City.

    Mr. Thompson had arrived early to prepare, according to the people familiar with the investigation. The gunman apparently knew which door Mr. Thompson was going to enter and shot him several times from mere feet away, then fled. The gunman, the people said, ran, jumped on a bicycle and pedaled away. […]

    Link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/04/nyregion/brian-thompson-uhc-ceo-shot?

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  6. Kathy says:

    I fixed the spatula that I broke, then decided I can’t use it. The problem is the putty used to fix it will wind up inside whatever I’m stirring in the pot. I don’t think it’s a good idea to let who knows what chemicals be exposed to hot liquids one later intends to consume.

    So, I got a similar one.

    I should explain it’s kind of a combo spatula and spoon, made of silicon. It’s more for scraping and stirring than spreading or lifting (though it’s great for lifting loose stuff like onions being browned). It’s often called a spoon-spatula or, in ridiculous portmanteau, spoonula (that will do for an ugly word until one trumps it.. oh…)

    The new one seems ok, but it’s more flexible and thinner. We’ll see. Once I find one I like, I’m getting a few more.

    Meantime, it looks like I’ll try making chili, or a beef stew with beans, next week. I’m thinking about how to go about it. I prefer ground beef in chili, but it would be a terrible idea to cook it under pressure with the beans. Beef cubes, on the other hand, can be browned first, and then allowed to cook under pressure so they fall apart, and all the beef flavor goes into the stew.

  7. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Jen:
    I’m guessing someone saw a medical bill United Healthcare wouldn’t reimburse.

    Obviously I’m against murder. But there are degrees, and I’ll be interested to hear about the killer’s motivation.

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  8. Joe says:

    @Michael Reynolds: While I had the same “disgruntled customer” reaction to this news, this sounds much more planned than disgruntlement normally produces. I, too, will be interested to hear more.

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  9. Mr. Prosser says:

    @Kathy: Why not make guisada with frijoles. I think I’ll try it myself just to see how it turns out.

  10. inhumans99 says:

    So this is a first for me, been feeling super cruddy since late Sunday and took a Covid test and tested positive. First time I have officially tested positive. I was vaccinated against Covid again a few weeks back, but that has only lightly lessened the impact, guess since this is my bodies first time having Covid and I am on the other side of 50 it is hitting me harder than I though it would. Registering for teledoc services so I can get some meds and get on the mend right quick.

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  11. Michael Reynolds says:

    I do not believe anyone should have a belief they cannot explain and justify.

    I’ve mentioned here before a traumatic (well…) experience when I was maybe 13. At that point I was still a Christian. I got into a debate with a smart kid who was an atheist. I won the debate, but only by virtue of skill at debating. I knew I should have lost. What I took from that is that I would never again believe anything I could not explain and honestly defend. If I am confronted with counter-arguments which I cannot refute and yet cling to my position, I would see that as dishonest and cowardly.

    Which is why I so dislike our resident Trumpies. I think they are dishonest and cowardly. Almost 60 years later it still bothers me that I got a dishonest ‘win.’

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  12. CSK says:

    @Jen: @Michael Reynolds: @Joe:

    Thompson’s wife Pauline said he had been receiving “some threats” recently.

  13. Sleeping Dog says:

    I wish there were an app for that…

    excising images of the orange wannabe fuhrer from news articles. I’d even pay for it.

  14. CSK says:
  15. Kathy says:

    @Jen:

    The list of suspects could be very long:

    disgruntled customer
    disgruntled employee
    disgruntled doctor/hospital administrator
    family matters
    ambitious executive
    ambitious board member
    competitor
    rival

  16. Lucysfootball says:

    @CSK: If you are a billionaire and sign something that guarantees no pre-nup, she’ll divorce Donald and marry you.

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  17. Jay L Gischer says:

    @Michael Reynolds: Well, I definitely am in favor of examining one’s self and one’s beliefs closely, and being skeptical.

    AND, I think finding a human with a belief that is unjustified, and rests on a completely emotional basis is about as newsworthy as “Dog Bites Man”.

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  18. Gromitt Gunn says:

    @inhumans99: Ugh, so sorry. Get on Paxlovid for sure. I finally got COVID last January and started on it 48 hours after I first started showing symptoms. Within the first 12 hours on Paxlovid, the symptoms started to recede. At the end of the five day course of treatment, I had a brief resurgence for about a day and a half.

    There’s no doubt in my mind that it would have taken a much worse course without the meds.

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  19. Kingdaddy says:

    This argument for re-designing the Democratic Party deserves your time:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-civic-life-local-membership/

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  20. Joe says:

    @CSK:
    From the NYT

    The gunman apparently knew which door Mr. Thompson was going to enter, according to two people familiar with the investigation, and shot him several times from a few feet away. His pistol jammed during the shooting, and the gunman quickly cleared the jam and resumed firing, the police said.

    Not a disgruntled customer.

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  21. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Jay L Gischer:
    Oh, it’s very, very common. Think about how much misery and horror has come from people believing things they could neither explain nor defend. It’s what makes people sheep to be led around by the ruthless.

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  22. Paul L. says:

    Funny if Hunter Biden refuses to cooperate with or testify before Congress and gets charged with the criminal contempt of Congress charges: one count of not providing documents, and one count of not testifying used against Steve Bannon.
    I found the COVID vaccines made me feel worst than actually having COVID.
    Being immunofortified vaccinated and boosted (8 times) against COVID should make having COVID a minor inconvenience. Or is COVID still mutating into a more lethal variant as predicted in 2020 because of the unvaccinated.

  23. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Paul L.:
    Covid, like other viruses, is constantly mutating. It’s what viruses do. Sometimes they become more contagious, sometimes less; sometimes more lethal, sometimes less. They are a wily enemy. Given that they don’t have brains (or much of anything being many times smaller than the smallest bacterium) it’s disturbing that the Big Brains of homo sapiens can’t outwit them.

    I’ve had two rounds, both knocked down quickly by Paxlovid. Wife ditto. Eldest daughter too.

    Covid we more or less have under some degree of control. Be more afraid of bird flu which makes Covid look like seasonal allergies. And of course, there’s measles, because Trump is turning our healthcare over to an unhinged nutcase. Flu is very clever at spreading, but measles is the Einstein of contagion.

    I was in the first generation of kids to get the polio vaccine. At that time there were still thousands of people in iron lungs. Smallpox (I dare you to Google some images) killed millions over the course of centuries, and now it’s all gone, thanks to what? Vaccines. Which our new HHS Secretary doesn’t believe in.

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  24. Paul L. says:

    @Michael Reynolds:
    I was told by Rachel Maddow that we must have COVID Vaccine mandates or COVID will mutate into a more lethal variant and kill us all.
    Every lifeform on Earth mutates not just viruses.

  25. CSK says:

    @Joe:

    According to the Daily Mail (yeah, I know), Thompson was facing a DOJ investigation for fraud and insider trading.

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  26. Franklin says:

    @Kathy: are we sure it’s not just like RFK jr?

  27. just nutha says:

    @Kathy: If it helps any, the thing you’re describing is called a “spurtle” (sp?) in Ireland. I have a bamboo one that came with a kitchen tools set I got for purchasing some foodstuff/culinary item while I was in Korea. They are great tools.

  28. Mister Bluster says:
  29. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Paul L.:
    Rachel Maddow was absolutely correct. Listen to people who know WTF they’re talking about, ie: not Fox News et al. Look at it this way: we are at war with this virus. Refusing to be vaccinated and refusing to follow health guidelines is like throwing down your weapons and refusing to fight.

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  30. wr says:

    @Jen: “The report said that the executive, Brian Thompson, 50, was shot just after 6:45 a.m. at 1335 Sixth Avenue,”

    That’s like three blocks from my building…

  31. just nutha says:

    @Kingdaddy: Interesting idea. My only question is how you restart this phenomenon in a nation where we pay people to deliver groceries to us. If we won’t even shop for food, how do you get people who are so divorced from reality to join quixotic efforts like grassroots politics?*

    *And no, I’m not interested in joining a ward-level political action committee, either.

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  32. Jack says:

    @Paul L.:

    They generally mutate to less lethal forms lest they kill off their hosts, and therefore themselves.

    Maddow is a nut.

  33. Kingdaddy says:

    @Paul L.: It took me all of two minutes to find the following quote from people who know what they’re talking about:

    The extremely high mutation rates of viruses are not matched by any other organism in the kingdom of life. The high mutation rates of viruses, coupled with short generation times and large population sizes, allow viruses to rapidly evolve and adapt to the host environment.

    In other words, the larger the infected population, the more rapidly mutations will develop. Which is why curtailing the disease, not letting it run rampant, is the better approach.

    Please go ahead and believe what you want about transubstantiation, who would win a fight between the Hulk and Superman, or the best hot sauce on the market. When it comes to immunology, however, not listening to people who know what they’re talking about has deadly consequences.

    And before anyone jumps in to say, “But the scientists in 2020 kept changing what they said about COVID-19!!!” That’s because we were dealing with a new disease, whose method of transmission, lethality, and other characteristics weren’t initially known. How viruses work wasn’t ever in question, even if there were unknowns about this particular virus.

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  34. Gustopher says:

    @CSK: $1m and you get just Melania, no Donald?

    This might have been Melania’s idea to avoid dining with that man she married.

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  35. wr says:

    @Mister Bluster: It’s the Texas Biblical stance as I understand it…

  36. Kingdaddy says:

    @just nutha: I don’t think it’s hard to get people to join organizations when they think they can be part of something bigger than themselves, make a useful contribution, and socialize with new people. I do think that the Democratic Party gave up on trying to do something like that. Almost every call to action (sign this petition, call your Representative, etc.) is a hidden fundraising pledge. It’s a lonely world when your primary relationship to the party, or any other group whose cause you support, is just contributions to a faceless entity.

    This is where the Republicans have been kicking Democrats’ asses for decades. Many of the groups that support the modern Republican Party, such as right-wing churches, provide the kind of engagement that the article describes — and there is almost no equivalent on the left. Watching MSNBC and then clicking the Like and Subscribe buttons is no substitute.

    It’s not that the Democratic Party, and other groups supporting it, can’t do this. It’s just that they increasingly lost interest in building and sustaining engagement (except around elections, and even then, the effort is pretty weak).

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  37. wr says:

    @Jack: “They generally mutate to less lethal forms lest they kill off their hosts, and therefore themselves.”

    How did that work out with polio?

    And even saying you’re right, in 1952 there were 57,000 cases in the US — 3145 died while more than 20,000 were left with some level of paralysis. Had we done what MAGAs want and thrown Dr. Salk in prison for attempting to create a vaccine, how many more children would die or become paralyzed before the virus mutated to something safer? Before you answer, remember that it had spent the previous half century growing increasingly more virulent.

    Or maybe we should consider HIV. We know how many people AIDS killed in the US before drug treatments were developed. Should we just have continued to let the virus wipe out another hundred thousand people in the 90s in the hope that maybe it would just decide to go away?

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  38. Gustopher says:

    @Joe: we have lots of ex-military in this country, and presumably some police are well trained. And guns everywhere. And health insurance companies make money by denying care.

    Also, I expect even professional hit men have health insurance.

    Health insurance is pretty ubiquitous. I would not rule out disgruntled customer (or close family of disgruntled customer) just because the killing was competently done.

    @wr: Where were you at 6:45 this morning?

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  39. Gustopher says:

    @Paul L.:

    I found the COVID vaccines made me feel worst than actually having COVID.
    Being immunofortified vaccinated and boosted (8 times) against COVID should make having COVID a minor inconvenience. Or is COVID still mutating into a more lethal variant as predicted in 2020 because of the unvaccinated.

    Don’t listen to anyone else, you want to get natural immunity. You should get natural immunity for as many diseases as possible. Covid, polio, measles, mumps, whooping cough, malaria, plague, AIDS… go for it.

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  40. Gustopher says:

    @Paul L.:

    Funny if Hunter Biden refuses to cooperate with or testify before Congress and gets charged with the criminal contempt of Congress charges: one count of not providing documents, and one count of not testifying used against Steve Bannon.

    I think he should vacation in Spain or somewhere for the next few years. Because Republicans will keep attacking him, and a bit of distance would be good. He’s been cast — against his will, because of who his father is— as a villain in the MAGA-QAnon Extended Cinematic Universe of Delusions.

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  41. CSK says:

    @Gustopher:

    Good call.

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  42. Jen says:

    @Joe: The whole thing feels more planned than your average disgruntled person, particularly possessing the apparent knowledge that he’d be arriving early to prep for the meeting. That seems like really specific knowledge of the individual, rather than a random person upset about being denied a claim. But who knows, maybe I’ve just watched too many shows on the telly.

  43. Jay L Gischer says:

    Just ran across this:

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) vented his displeasure Monday after two Democratic-appointed federal judges reversed their decisions to retire in what appear to be efforts to stop President-elect Trump from nominating their successors.

    McConnell called the unusual decisions to forgo retirement following Trump’s sweeping victory last month a “partisan” gambit that would undermine the integrity of federal courts.

    Well, Mitch, payback is hell, isn’t it?

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  44. Kathy says:

    @wr:

    Overall, viruses tend to adapt in a way that does not kill nor disable the host quickly. Those that do this tend to spread more than those that kill or disable fast. This does not mean all viruses tend to get less virulent, especially if they can infect multiple host species.

    What long term damage they may cause their host matters little as regards spread and reproduction, which is the whole point of infection. The first COVID variants were about as bad as the original. Then we got the Delta variant, which was both more transmissible and more virulent than the original trump virus, and at the same time not as easily stopped by the vaccines at the time.

    That later we got Omicron which is less virulent and more transmissible, is pure luck.

    The thing to keep in mind is we also adapt to viruses and other pathogens. Why do we call it the adaptive immune system? And we can do this far more easily and cheaply, both in terms of money and overall suffering from disease, by the use of vaccines.

    Now, some viruses haven’t adapted well to us, nor us to them. Stuff like Ebola and Marburg, for instance. They first disable and then kill their host rather fast. With a mortality rate of around 50%, few people survive to develop long term memory B and T cells.

    Of course, part of the problem is that people try to contain the outbreaks. Patients are isolated, and those who treat them wear protective suits sealed off from the environment. If we allowed the virus to run rampant, and deliberately exposed lots of people to infected patients, both we and the viruses would adapt better to each other faster.

    Or, crazy idea, we may instead develop a vaccine for these viruses, rather than undergo days or weeks of agonizing pain, bloody diarrhea, bloody vomit, dehydration, fever, etc. with a fifty/fifty chance of death.

    Say, how about a controlled experiment to prove the superiority of herd immunity to hemorrhagic fevers? I volunteer all our trolls. They should like not taking a vaccine.

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  45. Bobert says:

    @Paul L.:

    I was told by Rachel Maddow that we must have COVID Vaccine mandates or COVID will mutate into a more lethal variant and kill us all.

    I’d like to see the actual transcript of that (or video).

    Yeah, I thought so.

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  46. Paul L. says:

    @Bobert:
    Viewers demand apology from MSNBC, Rachel Maddow for previous COVID vaccine comment

    “No we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person… The virus does not infect them…It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.”

    And this is defended as she didn’t mean the COVID variants.
    @Kingdaddy:
    Experts are never wrong because SCIENCE!
    Nobel Prize for Medicine for gastric ulcer breakthrough

    Last year’s Nobel Prize for medicine was awarded in December to two Australian scientists who revealed the bacterial basis for the world’s second most prevalent disease—gastritis and peptic ulcers. Ulcers were previously connected to bad diet or a stressful lifestyle—to the point that it pervaded popular culture, including in film and literature. The breakthrough paved the way for relatively straightforward treatments for a debilitating and potentially fatal disease.

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  47. Jen says:

    @Jay L Gischer: I saw that last night and uttered a string of words that would have gotten my mouth washed out with soap back in the day. What an unvarnished hypocrite. He can f&^% right off with that complaint, allllll the way back to Kentucky.

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  48. Lucysfootball says:

    @Paul L.: I was told by Rachel Maddow that we must have COVID Vaccine mandates or COVID will mutate into a more lethal variant and kill us all.
    I like Rachel Maddow, she’s smart and I agree with a lot of her takes on politics. That being said, I don’t turn to her show for medical advice. I have a SIL who is board certified in immunology, a brother who is doctor, and we have a friend who is an epidemiologist working for the CDC. I think I’ll take their advice over that of a television pundit. And the friend who works for the CDC is already looking, no way he’ll stay there if ant-vaxer is head of the CDC.

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  49. Kathy says:

    @Franklin:

    I don’t get it.

    @just nutha:

    I bought my old one at a kitchen supply store in Vegas, of all places, sometime around 2012. I don’t recall exactly why, but I found it useful for lots of things.

  50. Jay L Gischer says:

    @Paul L.: You said:

    Experts are never wrong because SCIENCE!

    Experts are often wrong. This is the entire reason behind the scientific method. Which is that it’s not the expertise, it’s the data.

    AND, if you don’t know the data – if you don’t know what experiments have been done, and how much data supports or contradicts some idea – you are behind. You don’t have a better idea, you have a worse idea, that is more poorly supported.

    The idea behind the Flat Earth Society – at least for some – is that they refuse to take anyone’s word for some scientific assertion that they cannot verify for themselves.

    This makes it a fun hobby – how can I prove to a person with normal resources that the earth is round. So they go up in balloons and so on.

    In the meantime, we use Einstein’s General Relativity to make GPS work.

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  51. Kathy says:

    @Jay L Gischer:

    This makes it a fun hobby – how can I prove to a person with normal resources that the earth is round.

    They could just stand at a port and watch departing ships. The hull will disappear below the horizon while the superstructure is visible above it, as though there were a curved planet between the ship and the dock.

    Proofs for relativity, both kinds, is looking at data from very accurate instruments that measure very tiny things. Not very exciting. It’s like looking at the Wow! Signal: completely meaningless to most people.

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  52. JohnSF says:

    @Jack:
    And sometimes, by the contingencies of evolution, they mutate to more lethal forms, so long as the infection rate is sufficient to outrun the host-killing rate.
    How the heck do you suppose the virulent variations of Plague bacillus, influenza virus, smallpox, etc emerged in the first place?
    So long as the viral, or bacterial, reservoir remains, such outbreaks are possible.

    That does not mean social isolation must be enforced to prevent any possible infection outbreak.
    It does mean it’s sensible to keep a wary eye on known break-out candidates, and pre-prep vaccination programmes.

    There’s good reason to think measles, pertussis, and some others, were on a potential break-out track prior to mass vaccination.

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  53. Jen says:

    @JohnSF:

    And sometimes, by the contingencies of evolution, they mutate to more lethal forms, so long as the infection rate is sufficient to outrun the host-killing rate.

    Exactly. With something like ebola, the virus moves so fast and kills so quickly that it used to be “contained” by wiping out small groups quickly. Now that people travel, really the only thing preventing a big ebola outbreak is the simple fact that it moves so fast you usually don’t get too far before feeling really lousy.

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  54. JohnSF says:

    @Jay L Gischer:
    @Kathy:
    Also, shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse.
    Angle of the Sun at noon on a certain date, see Erastophenes c.250 BC.
    Day length variation, if you think about it.

    It’s a bit of a canard that medieval Europeans thought the Earth was flat; the educated were perfectly aware that it was not. Biblical references to such were not taken seriously.

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  55. JohnSF says:

    @Gustopher:
    @Michael Reynolds:
    Last week I had a vax for pneumococcus, which is a twice in a lifetime thing.
    (And seeing as I’m not an infant, yet a another sign of getting elderly, *sigh*)
    Felt utterly cruddy for four days, and my left shoulder still aches.

    Of course it’s a bloody good thing to get it.
    Because acute pneumonia and/or meningitis are no effin joke.
    Ask any doctor who’s seen severe cases.

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  56. Paul L. says:

    @Jay L Gischer:

    In the meantime, we use Einstein’s General Relativity to make GPS work.

    Physicists are correct so are Biologists.
    Science question puzzling me: If Black holes/Singularities are infinitely dense how do they get bigger when additional mass is added?
    See Sagittarius A* v. TON 618

  57. JohnSF says:

    @Paul L.:

    Every lifeform on Earth mutates not just viruses.

    Does that mean I can get a vaccine against an imminent outbreak of planetoftheapesia?
    Just in case? 🙂
    Or squirrels?
    Never trusted those little sods.

  58. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Kingdaddy: I hope, for the sake of you and people who are like you, that you are right. The Nation’s record on forecasting social phenomena is spotty at best, though. Either way, the process will be long enough so that I’m unlikely to see it. Good luck all the same.

  59. Kathy says:

    @JohnSF:

    Columbus had the idea of a shorter route to Asia, because he had the wrong figures for the Earth’s circumference. Not because he alone knew the planet was a spheroid.

    Vaccines against bacterial diseases are very important to get. A lof of bugs are becoming resistant to antibiotics, and pharmaceutical firms are slow coming up with new ones. The vaccine is the best bet.

    Mutations are also a thing the public gets waaaaaaaay wrong due to pop culture, in particular comic books.

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  60. JohnSF says:

    @Paul L.:
    If things are infinitely dense …
    (Oh Lord, deliver me from temptation…)
    Because the singularity point is infinitely dense, but infinite density does not equal infinite mass.
    That’s the very short version of the consensus: the detailed mathematics are rather abstruse, much debated, and WAY beyond my level.
    In addition, we simply DO NOT fully understand the physics of singularities, seeing as experimenting with them is a bit, shall we say, problematic.
    And in many respect known physics collapses at the singularity, along with matter, and quite possible the sanity of physicists.
    Therefore we have to rely on astronomical evidence, and working out the mathematical physics of what we do know and can infer.

    The mathematics of gravitational physics indicate singularities in “Black Holes”, the astronomical evidence is for their existence at a variety of mass levels, and the particle physics just shrugs in embarrassment and wanders off to do other stuff.

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  61. dazedandconfused says:

    @Gustopher:

    Good idea, but I would suggest, Paul, that you start with Ebola. Get the heavy lifting done early, I always say.

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  62. JohnSF says:

    @Kathy:
    Yes, that why a lot of people at the time thought the idea of getting to Asia via the Atlantic was daft.
    There are indications that Portuguese and Breton sailors had a shrewd idea there were, at least, islands in the western Atlantic. Seem various fishermen visited the Grand Banks well before Columbus; it would be rather surprising if none had never happened upon Newfoundland or Nova Scotia.

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  63. Kathy says:

    @JohnSF:

    What’s denser, a kilo of feathers or a kilo of rocks? 😀

    The answer is obvious.

    Infinities are problematic in science, especially in physics (I don’t think mathematicians mind them much). See Renormalization, which I don’t come close to understanding. It feels like “let’s just say it’s no infinite, and it’s not!” But it works.

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  64. Jay L Gischer says:

    @Paul L.: “Physicists are correct so are Biologists.”

    This statement gives me the sense that you didn’t understand anything about what I said. Not a damn thing. That makes me sad. Maybe I’ll try again another day.

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  65. Kingdaddy says:

    David Frum calls out Morning Joe for being weak-kneed in the face of intimidation:

    At the next ad break, a producer spoke into my ear. He objected to my comments about Fox and warned me not to repeat them. I said something noncommittal and got another round of warning. After the break, I was asked a follow-up question on a different topic, about President Joe Biden’s pardon of his son. I did not revert to the earlier discussion, not because I had been warned, but because I had said my piece. I was then told that I was excused from the studio chair. Shortly afterward, co-host Mika Brzezinski read an apology for my remarks.

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  66. Jack says:

    @Bobert:

    Do you want two + years of Russia, Russia, Russia until she had to, tears in eyes, finally admit she is a fool, and that HRC, approved by JB and BO just ran a dirty political op. Filthy pigs.

    The American people figured it out.

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  67. Gustopher says:

    @JohnSF:

    The mathematics of gravitational physics indicate singularities in “Black Holes”, the astronomical evidence is for their existence at a variety of mass levels

    And sizes! Depending on whether you quantify a black hole as the event horizon, or the mathematical singularity contained within the event horizon. Also rotation.

    But, if you measure from the event horizon, which makes sense because we cannot see inside the event horizon, there are very clear, not infinite densities.

    Measuring inside the event horizon would also be complicated by the compression of space inside. It’s basically like a cube that is 1 meter on all sides having a volume of 0.5 cubic-meters rather than 1 cubic-meter*. I don’t think a layman’s definition of density works at that point, and I have no idea what a physicist’s definition would be.

    ——
    *: traditionally you simplify things into spheres, but the math is harder in this case. Think of it as a very round cube.

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  68. Lucysfootball says:

    I’ll give Trump this, at least the corruption isn’t hidden

    https://digbysblog.net/2024/12/04/but-his-crypto/

  69. Scott says:

    Well, isn’t this interesting:

    Revealed: the Operators Behind Four Major Neo-Nazi X Accounts

    Through reviewing posts on X, web archives, leak databases, and other social media profiles, the Observer identified the following individuals as the anonymous operators of neo-Nazi X accounts, which had a collective 500,000 followers at their peak: Cyan Cruz, a 40-year-old marketing professional who appears to have lived in Austin and Amarillo and operates the X account TheOfficial1984; Michael Gramer, a 42-year-old retired mechanical engineer who has lived in New Hampshire, operates the X account 9mm_SMG, and has claimed to have a house in Galveston and to be spending time in Dallas; Robert “Bobby” Thorne, a 35-year-old vice president at JP Morgan Chase in Plano, who operates the account Noble1945 and previously operated the account Noble_x_x_; and John Anthony Provenzano, a 30-year-old who appears to live in Virginia, operates the account utism_ (formerly known as JohnnyBullzeye), and, according to a tip and a records request response from the U.S. Navy, works at the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Indian Head, Maryland—where the Navy manufactures explosive ordnance.

    Banality of evil indeed.

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  70. gVOR10 says:

    @Gustopher:

    Think of it as a very round cube.

    Assume a spherical cow.

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  71. Beth says:

    @wr:

    Or maybe we should consider HIV. We know how many people AIDS killed in the US before drug treatments were developed. Should we just have continued to let the virus wipe out another hundred thousand people in the 90s in the hope that maybe it would just decide to go away?

    Except they don’t consider HIV/AIDS. Hell, Kennedy Jr. seems to think that Poppers causes AIDS. The Right wing seems to think that HIV/AIDS is a moral failing of drug users and gay men and if we just hand waive way those populations or let them die, AIDS will go away and herd immunity will be achieved. Not realizing that Mike Pence is responsible for making an AIDS outbreak worse by making the same sort of nonsense arguments that Paul is making.

    What happened is that Pence failed to act in response to increasingly urgent signs of a significant HIV outbreak, and he delayed implementation of vital public health measures. Among public health experts, the Indiana outbreak is considered a failure of state response, and an example of how poor political leadership can actually make a crisis worse.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/02/how-mike-pence-made-indianas-hiv-outbreak-worse-118648

    Between being old enough to remember the AIDS crisis and being in the queer community most of my life, this stuff is my history. Pop quiz, without looking anything up, who is the first person you remember learning about having AIDS. Doesn’t matter if it was a public figure or a friend.

    For me it’s Ryan White. Not a gay man. Not a drug user.

    This is the future that Republicans want.

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  72. steve says:

    I am not seeing why some guys discovering the cause of gastric ulcers is an indictment of science. It was a good discovery. Earlier beliefs that ulcers were caused by stress weren’t really based on scientific discovery but assumptions. One of those assumptions was that bacteria really couldn’t thrive in gastric contents. Someone took a scientific approach and figured it out.

    Steve

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  73. gVOR10 says:

    Re Paul L and Maddow. Maddow did indeed say what L claimed. He may have had the quote in front of him, hoping somebody would question it and he could chalk up a win in his own mind. What he didn’t mention was that his link is to a FOX story from December ’21 saying social media users were demanding an apology for a statement Maddow made in March of that year. First, the situation was a lot more confused in early ’21. Second, this is typical FOX, it’s seldom liberal X did or said X, it’s liberal X is being being criticized by somebody for it. In this case randos on social media. Third, FOX had to reach that hard to take a shot at Maddow.

    This is a great example of what I think should be a well known, listed in WIKI with a Latin name, fallacy, the fallacy of imperfection. Google Translate suggests fallacia imperfectionis. I found a flaw in X therefore X is bad. It’s sort of like the Nirvana fallacy, but really a special case of the fallacy of composition. L is implying Maddow is bad, or science is bad, or, with him, gawd knows what. Maddow makes mistakes, science makes mistakes, NYT makes mistakes. They still beat hell out of Tucker Carlson, or RFK Jr., or FOX.

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  74. Kathy says:

    @steve:

    I’ve brought this up a number of times. another factor, as far as I know, is that bland diets, stress management, and beta blockers did ease symptoms.

    @Beth:

    I’m sure I read at least a few names of AIDS patients in news magazines and in particular in Discover magazine, but I can’t say I recall any of them.

    Isaac Asimov contracted HIV from a blood transfusion in the course of a coronary bypass operation in 1983. He never disclosed this. His memoir, “I, Asimov”, tells of kidney and heart disease in his latter years, and the cause of death in 1992 given to the press was heart and kidney failure.

    It wasn’t until 2002 that his widow revealed he died of AIDS. I remember feeling angry at the revelation, because it shouldn’t have been something anyone felt they had to hide.

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  75. Kathy says:

    @gVOR10:

    I found something like that in a video about LED traffic lights, of all things, on a Youtube channel called Technology Connections. Here’s the link. The host calls it “But sometimes!”

    The point is LED traffic lights last a lot longer, use up a lot less power, are much brighter (and thus easier to see in daytime), BUT SOMETIMES!!11!! it gets covered in snow when there’s heavy snowfall, and the light can’t be seen at all.

    As downsides go, this is a small one, far outweighed by the upsides. Opponents of LED lights use this as an argument against them.

    It has a simple solution. The higher efficiency of LEDs means they put out little waste heat*, that’s why they can be covered by snow. The more inefficient incandescent bulbs put out a lot of waste heat, which melts any accumulating snow. So, install a heater that is activated only when there’s heavy snowfall. Yes, it raises installation costs a bit, but it keeps the lower maintenance costs and lower operating costs. No-brainer.

    besides, it doesn’t snow every day, even in winter, never mind heavy snowfall. In some places it never snows at all. I mean, would you be concerned about snow obscuring traffic lights in LA or Miami or Mexico City?

    *I switched the bulbs in my old place with compact fluorescents in the middle of winter. My bedroom was definitely a bit colder at night, due to the lower waste heat. Again, small downside. Simple solution: wear a second sweatshirt (it doesn’t get that cold here).

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  76. Kingdaddy says:

    @Jack: Seriously, whatever human being is behind your ID, take a walk outdoors. Re-watch the funniest movie you’ve enjoyed. Hug your kids, grandkids, dog, cat, whatever. Or, as I suggested the other day, watch A Christmas Carol. You might find it meaningful, even uplifting.

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  77. DrDaveT says:

    @Jack:

    Do you want two + years of Russia, Russia, Russia until she had to, tears in eyes, finally admit she is a fool, and that HRC, approved by JB and BO just ran a dirty political op.

    No hablo. Could you please repeat that in English? Seriously.

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  78. Erik says:

    @Paul L.: have you ever been wrong about anything you believed was correct? How true did that belief feel before you discovered it was wrong? Does anything that you currently believe feel true like that? How do you know that belief won’t also turn out to be wrong?

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  79. Erik says:

    @Jack: I would much prefer someone who has the humility to admit a mistake, and more importantly the ability to recognize when they’ve made a mistake, than someone who is so dead certain that they can’t be wrong that they continue living in a fantasy world against all evidence to the contrary

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  80. Michael Reynolds says:

    @Paul L.: @Jack:
    I wonder if you’ve noticed that a bunch of us here, none who agree with you politically, are nevertheless trying to keep you healthy. While your compadre Jack – much like Trump – DGAF.

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  81. charontwo says:

    @Scott:
    Those 4 guys all follow each other. Two of them have about 225,000 followers which is only a small fraction of the total number of people on Twitter. Their follower count is rising rapidly though, image here:

    https://www.texasobserver.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/image-768×551.png

    These individuals are part of a broader ecosystem of far-right accounts that have rapidly expanded their reach in recent months. They are among the most popular white nationalist and neo-Nazi accounts on X whose operators have not yet been publicly identified. (While this article was in production, the Anti-Defamation League also identified Cruz as the operator of TheOfficial1984.) Their rise to prominence tracks with a dramatic decrease in moderation of hateful content on the platform, which dropped from 1 million moderated accounts in 2021 to only 2,361 accounts in the most recent 2024 X transparency report. Posts from these individuals have received tens of millions of views over the last year and a half. The accounts have also attracted the attention of major public figures. Two of the accounts have received replies from the X account of Elon Musk, who has said he writes all of his own X posts and who, as reported by Mother Jones, has amplified users who promote pseudoscientific arguments that those of European descent are biologically superior. Three of the accounts are followed by a sitting congressman, and many other right-wing media figures and outlets follow at least one of the four accounts.

    snip

    These accounts have drawn the attention of conservative commentators, activists, and even elected officials. The X account belonging to Republican U.S. Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky follows three of the four neo-Nazi accounts, while the account belonging to GOP Arizona state Senator Wendy Rogers follows two. The account belonging to Sebastian Gorka, former and future deputy assistant to Donald Trump, follows 9mm_smg, and the account belonging to Chuck DeVore, an executive at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, has retweeted one of 9mm_smg’s posts.