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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

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  1. Scott says:

    Finally got around to start watching on PBS Ken Burn’s American Revolution documentary. Standard Ken Burns fare, i.e., quite good. However, like everything else these days, I can’t watch anything substantial without analogizing to today’s events. Kind of depressing in its own way.

    Anyway, my analogy of the day happened when Gen Gage decided to march to Lexington and Concord to arrest capture John Adams and Samuel Adams who were holed up in Lexington. Out manned, minimally armed Colonialists stopped the 1000 man Redcoats at Concord and then proceeded to chase them back to Boston, harassing them the whole way, with an ever increasing gang of riflemen sniping at them.

    My simplistic analogy was Red Coats=ICE, Colonialists=regular Americans fighting oppression.

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  2. charontwo says:

    As Trump deteriorates he becomes disengaged from the details, which increasingly devolve to the courtiers, of whom Stephen Miller is plainly primo.

    An account of Miller’s interview with Jake Tapper:

    Joyce Vance

    Even as there was still an effort to make out the attack on Venezuela to be some sort of law enforcement operation to arrest a couple of high value defendants, Miller made clear that it was far more, swiping aside the suggestion that Venezuela’s Vice President was running the country.

    “We are in charge,” Miller told Tapper, “because we have the United States military stationed outside the country. We set the terms and conditions. We have a complete embargo on all of their oil and their ability to do commerce. So for them to do commerce, they need our permission. For them to be able to run an economy, they need our permission. So the United States is in charge. The United States is running the country during this transition period.”

    Trump seemed to confirm that today, saying we would be involved in running Venezuela for years. The President said, “We will rebuild it in a very profitable way. We’re going to be using oil, and we’re going to be taking oil. We’re getting oil prices down, and we’re going to be giving money to Venezuela, which they desperately need.” Miller’s version was more to the point: Venezuela now needs Donald Trump and Stephen Miller’s permission to continue to exist.

    If you want to know where we’re headed, listen to what Stephen Miller says and understand what his priorities are

    Nice little country you have there. It would be a real shame if something were to happen to it.

    When Tapper interjected that sovereign nations should be able to do as they please, Miller’s response was stark. “The Monroe Doctrine and the Trump Doctrine is all about securing the national interests of America.”

    Which seem, somehow, to include enriching Trump and his helpers.

    When Tapper interjected that sovereign nations should be able to do as they please, Miller’s response was stark. “The Monroe Doctrine and the Trump Doctrine is all about securing the national interests of America.”

    He’s pompous. He’s a lot of other things. But his ideas have informed where Trump is headed ever since he abandoned his soon-to-be disgraced and fired patron Jeff Sessions, and hitched himself to Trump during his 2016 campaign. Miller brought the same anti-immigrant fervor to Trump that he had supported during his time with Sessions. It’s that sad fear of people who are different that has brought us to a moment where the sight of ICE agents marching down American streets is as much a threat to American citizens as it is to people here without legal immigration status. Trump has always been transactional in his relationships, casting off people who no longer suit him. But Miller has had staying power and his priorities have currency.

    His vision of the future is unabashedly that of a strongman. “The future of the free world, Jake, depends on America being able to assert ourselves and our interests without apology.”

    “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    Listen to Stephen Miller, because he signals where Trump is headed. It’s all about power, U.S. power. Donald Trump’s power and Stephen Miller’s power.

    You all have probably already seen the part I bolded.

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  3. Scott says:

    Waiting for one of the seized oil tankers (like the one off of Galveston) to open up its spigots and dumped its load out of spite.

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  4. Jen says:

    I just cannot with this man-baby:

    After Machado Offers Her Nobel, Trump Says It Would Be an ‘Honor’ to Accept It

    President Trump indicated on Thursday evening that he will meet with María Corina Machado, Venezuela’s opposition leader, next week in Washington, after refusing to support her to lead the country following the U.S. seizure of Nicolás Maduro.

    Ms. Machado has tried to ingratiate herself to Mr. Trump and earlier this week offered to give him the Nobel Peace Prize she was awarded last year. Mr. Trump has long coveted the award. […]

    This timeline is the WORST. The leader of the opposition (who, hopefully understands that he’ll snatch up the medallion and dump her back outside) is attempting to placate the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES with a re-gifted Nobel.

    J.F.C.

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  5. charontwo says:

    Maybe we have a low intensity civil war now. By analogy Trump=Jefferson Davis, red states vs. blue states.

    Civil war” (WaPo gift link)

    Five Democratic-led states sue HHS over frozen welfare funding

    New York, California, Colorado, Illinois and Minnesota want funding restore and allege the Trump administration broke the law when freezing funding over unspecified fraud.

    New York, along with California, Colorado, Illinois and Minnesota, asked for a temporary restraining order that would allow them to continue receiving the funds, in a lawsuit filed Thursday evening with the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.

    The states argued that the Administration for Children and Families, which is within the Department of Health and Human Services, provided no evidence of fraud and acted illegally by enacting sanctions within the three welfare programs without following processes laid out by law. The administration wrote to the states earlier this week that the freeze was necessary to prevent “potential” fraud but didn’t detail what it meant, according to letters viewed by The Washington Post.

    Democratic leaders in those states blasted the move as politically motivated. Before the lawsuit was filed Thursday, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) told reporters that the administration is “coming after Democratic governors, five of us, for no reason at all.”

    “I want them to know this, that you may think you’re punishing me as a Democrat, but this is a county program,” she said, referring to safety net programs in New York partly funded with federal dollars. “We are simply the pass-through. The money goes to providers selected by the counties. They run this.”

    All five states involved in the lawsuit filed Thursday are among more than two dozen states that previously sued the Trump administration over withholding other federal funds including for education, disaster relief and public health, arguing the actions jeopardize critical services.

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  6. Charley in Cleveland says:

    @Jen: The more Trump says he doesn’t care about the Nobel Peace Prize the more obvious it is that he is obsessed with it because, reasoning like a toddler, someone else (i.e., Barack Obama) has one and HE WANTS ONE TOO! Like everything else in Trump’s orbit, the NPP has been degraded. And another foreign leader has acknowledged the need to stroke this insufferable clown’s ego.

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  7. charontwo says:

    @Jen:

    How stupid is it to think possession of the physical medal equates to being the prize recipient?

    Our genius leader with the good genes.

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  8. Scott says:

    While we are distracted…

    Chinese drill near Taiwan seen as test run for blockade, message to US

    China’s two days of military drills in waters surrounding Taiwan last month came closer than ever to the self-ruled island’s coast and were the largest-scale exercises in more than three years of exercises partly aimed at deterring a U.S. role in an actual war, analysts say.

    A rocket artillery unit participating in the People’s Liberation Army Eastern Theater Command’s “Justice Mission 2025” drills fired shells into the sea into the contiguous zone 24 nautical miles off Taiwan’s coast on Dec. 30.

    The unit’s fire took place during PLA drills in five tracts of ocean — described overall as practice for blocking major Taiwanese air and sea routes with aircraft and naval assets, but this time without aircraft carriers. Carriers have joined other drills and are seen helping to ward off external intervention in the event of conflict.

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  9. Scott says:

    A happy article for once:

    These dogs can learn new words just by eavesdropping

    If you’ve ever had to spell out words like W-A-L-K or T-R-E-A-T around a dog, you know that some dogs listen in to humans’ chitchat and can pick out certain key words.

    Well, it turns out that some genius dogs can learn a brand new word, like the name of an unfamiliar toy, by just overhearing brief interactions between two people.

    What’s more, these “gifted” dogs can learn the name of a new toy even if they first hear this word when the toy is out of sight — as long as their favorite human is looking at the spot where the toy is hidden. That’s according to a new study in the journal Science.

    “What we found in this study is that the dogs are using social communication. They’re using these social cues to understand what the owners are talking about,” says cognitive scientist Shany Dror of Eötvös Loránd University and the University of Veterinary Medicine, Vienna.

    “This tells us that the ability to use social information is actually something that humans probably had before they had language,” she says, “and language was kind of hitchhiking on these social abilities.”

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  10. Scott says:

    Early birds can begin filing their taxes on Jan. 26 this year

    Tax experts, including the IRS’ independent watchdog, have warned that this year’s filing season could be hampered by the loss of tens of thousands of tax collection workers who left the agency through planned layoffs and buyouts spurred by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency.

    At the same time, IRS information systems have been updated to incorporate the new tax laws and are ready to efficiently and effectively process taxpayer returns during the filing season.

    Now I have always done my own taxes, going back to when I was 16 in 1970. I use TurboTax now and my methodology is to enter a document as soon as I receive it. I received (actually downloaded) my 1099-R and attempted to enter it. TurboTax promptly informed me that their systems have not yet finished their reprogramming to support the 1099-R. First time I’ve encountered that. We shall see.

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  11. Kathy says:

    @Scott:

    I never thought about naming the dog’s toys. Not even calling them ball, dog, dolphin, etc.

    Emm, I’m sure, understood certain words. Mostly locations. She knew well what outside or upstairs meant. Abut half the time she understood when I said “stay here. I’ll be back shortly.” the other half she followed me out of the room.

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  12. Scott says:

    @Charley in Cleveland: I wonder how he’d react if Obama just went “Here! Have mine!”

    BTW, I thought at the time Obama shouldn’t have accepted the Peace Prize.

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  13. Daryl says:

    A piddling 50,000 jobs added in December.
    It’s political malpractice to NOT tattoo Trump with the “worst jobs President ever” label.
    Food services, health care and social assistance are the leading job sectors. Not retail, not manufacturing. SAD!!!
    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

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  14. Kathy says:

    So, chief nazi Adolf Muxk has solved the problem of the chatbot producing child porn images, by making it a premium service.

    Fear not, ye poor misogynists and pedophiles of limited means. there is an app that will still do it for free.

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  15. charontwo says:

    @Scott:

    Thanks for the info. Just discovered the IRS downloadable/fillable forms for 2025 are already online, have begun filling them out. (Waiting for most of the actual numbers, though, obviously, although I already know the numbers for one minor form).

    I don’t even use TurboTax, I just download the forms and fill them out, always have.

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  16. Matt says:

    @Kathy: You have an extra HTTP in your link 🙁

    Link to Grok article

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  17. Kathy says:

    @Matt:

    Thanks.

    It’s odd. I copied and pasted the address bar link same as always. Maybe all my links to The Guardian are bad.

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  18. becca says:

    The degeneracy is promoting an ice body cam, claiming it absolves the shooter.
    Nope.

    On a lighter note… What’s the difference between Trump and Greenland? Greenland’s not for sale.
    h/t Senator Amy Klobuchar

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  19. Jen says:

    @becca: I…what? If anything, that video is WORSE for the officer.

    I feel like Alice through the looking glass with this sh!t.

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  20. Kathy says:

    @Jen:

    Agreed. here’s a link to The Guardian which has a link to the video on Xitter

    Not to mention, what kid of idiot gets in front of a moving car?

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  21. Kathy says:

    @becca:

    The degeneracy…

    I’m totally stealing that.

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  22. Mikey says:

    @Kathy:

    Not to mention, what kind of idiot gets in front of a moving car?

    Someone who wants to create an excuse to shoot.

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  23. CSK says:

    @Mikey:

    This.

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  24. Jen says:

    Astonishing level of stupidity. “We had lots of boats go there also.” People still support this vacuous windbag.

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  25. Beth says:

    Well, looks like nothing brings the Left and Right together like hating Mr. Kier “I shit my pants, again” Starmer.

    On the Right:

    “While the world keeps debating what Trump did over the weekend, I think the majority of Brits with common sense are thinking the same thing: We’d love for him to give Starmer the same treatment,”

    On the Left:

    “Starmer’s Labour party has cut disability benefits, vilified trans people, proscribed activist groups, introduced anti-migrant policies and are now pushing forward Digital IDs.

    “These policies pander to Labour’s wealthy donors, not ordinary people. However, when racists like ‘Bristol Patriots’ call ‘anti-Starmer’ marches, it’s because they believe he is housing asylum seekers – they just wish he was more authoritarian and further to the right.

    “We stand against Bristol Patriots because of their racist and anti-migrant views, not because we ourselves support the current system. Make no mistake. This is an anti-migrant hate rally dressed up as anti-Labour,”

    I would rather eat hot broken glass than vote for Labour.

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  26. Lucys Football says:

    When you get right down to it, he truly is just a stupid shit:
    U.S. President Donald Trump posted a chart on his social media account late on Thursday that included job-market data that was not publicly released until Friday morning, a break with long-standing practice the White House said was inadvertent.
    If he was just Don Trump, retired average guy, he would be your crazy uncle who might be tolerated once a year at Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, half the country elected this stupid shit president.

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  27. JohnSF says:

    @charontwo:

    “We live in a world that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    Miller might like to look up what happened to some previous adherents of that worldview.
    It did not end well for them.

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  28. Kathy says:

    @Lucys Football:

    Unfortunately, half the country elected this stupid shit president.

    A bit less than half of those who voted. Which, in a way, is god news.

    El Taco’s election answers the Kenobi Conundrum: Who’s more foolish? The fool? Or the fool who follows him?

    Indubitably, it’s the fool who follows him.

    What this means is that half the country if probably less foolish than El Taco.

    Unless the same answer applies to Kathy’s Conundrum: Who’s more foolish? The fool? Or the fool who fails to oppose him?

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  29. CSK says:

    @Kathy:

    Donald Trump: “I love the poorly educated.”

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  30. charontwo says:

    @Kathy:

    I have more anger against the gullible dupes who elected Trump a second time than I do against Trump, Miller, Noem and the rest of the sadists.

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  31. dazedandconfused says:

    @JohnSF:

    He’s not all wrong though. I think a lot of people are mistaken about Machiavelli. He wasn’t (IMO) advocating, he was merely reporting how things really are. He simply got sick and tired of people like Erasmus, who pretended the world was a place where Good always triumphed over Evil, and he knew that to be utter horseshit. He also knew he was doing something very risky so he handed the manuscript to his priest, making it a “matter of confession” in order to protect himself. It was the church who allowed it to become public.

    Empires have always been or became SOBs .

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  32. charontwo says:

    Bluesky post:

    https://bsky.app/profile/cingraham.bsky.social/post/3mbynsglvd22m

    ICE agent Jonathan Ross, who shot and killed an unarmed civilian, flew a don’t-tread-on-me Gadsden flag at his house, per the Daily Mail.

    One neighbor at Ross’s 10-house cul-de-sac told the Daily Mail that until recently Ross had been flying pro-Trump flags and a ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ Gadsden Flag, an emblem of the Make America Great Again movement.

    On Thursday afternoon there was no sign of Ross, his wife, or the flags.

    ‘I think he’s in the military. He has a military license plate,’ one neighbor said. ‘He had a don’t tread on me flag, and Trump/Vance stickers up during the election.

    ‘The wife is polite, very nice, very outgoing, while he’s very reserved. They have a couple of kids.’

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  33. JohnSF says:

    @dazedandconfused:
    Even Machiavelli had doubts about Machiavelli. 😉
    See the Discourses vs The Prince

    Though I was thinking more of Mussolini and the Nazis, tbh.

    Erasmus was perhaps not as naive as some have thought.
    He viewed sensible monarchs as a basis of order, and feared the consequences of religous strife.
    Arguably, the history of c 1550 to 1650 proved him right.
    While the attempts of most would-be “Princes” ended in disaster.

    Empires that are unwilling to temper their s.o.b. tendencies often come to a sticky end.
    Starting with the Athenian: Thucydides seems to me in the Melian dialogues to be pointing to a basic reason why the Athenians ended up getting shagged by Sparta.

    They converted a league of allies into a protection racket, alienated every other Power (Sparta, Thebes, Corinth, Persia, Macedon, Syracuse, etc) and then ended up with no allies when the Spartans wrecked their fleet and rocked up outside the Long Walls.

    It’s a pity Thucydides never completed his hisstory.

    But even unfinished, it might be worth the Trumpkins considering its core message:
    “Don’t get cocky, kid.”

    (Incidentally, none of this is meant as a snark at you. Just my inveterate tendency to speculate upon historiography 😉 )

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  34. Kathy says:

    @charontwo:

    Same here. It’s what ended the considerable goodwill I had for America. I still hold some for blue areas, but even that comes with a big grain of salt.

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  35. Kathy says:

    Hot take: The Nixon administration began the enshitification of the country.

    It has been kept going since, despite opposition from Democratic administrations.

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  36. Gregory Lawrence Brown says:

    Fvck a Duck!
    Indiana 35
    Oregon 7
    Halftime

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  37. JohnSF says:

    @Kathy:
    I still have a reservoir of goodwill for America.
    In part bolstered by the evident decency of Americans here at OTB, and others I know and talk to.
    (The university inter-library network is full of lovely people 🙂 )

    And the entire legacy of growing up rather admiring the US.
    Then even after I discovered the less attractive aspects of its history and politics, the US always seemed (and still does) capable of transcending its failings and flaws, and being a expression of some of the best aspects of humanity.

    But sometimes now what is happening in the US makes me so sad, and angry, and worried.
    Could a Europe that adheres to lawful rule, and human rights, and rational humanism, end up being an adversary of a fascistic America?
    It breaks my heart to think of it.

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  38. dazedandconfused says:

    @JohnSF: Discourses is exhibit A in my argument actually, that The Prince wasn’t advocacy, just analysis. A lot of people have a very hard time separating those things in their minds, which has killed a lot of messengers.

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  39. JohnSF says:

    @dazedandconfused:
    Looking at the context, imho The Prince was both analysis (and rather acute, if limited: it missed some of the basics of how early modern monarchies functioned imho) and advocacy.
    Machiavelli was rather desperate for a solid Italian state that could resist the conflicting interests of the Papacy, French, Swiss, German Imperials, Spanish, and self-serving condottiere that were wrecking Italy.
    It turned out to be unachievable.

    Machaivelli was, imho, an idealist driven by despair to cynical “realism”.
    But “realism” is often unrealistic.

    Machiavelli was a genius at explictating power politics; but his concepts fail to be useful about many key drivers of history in post-Roman Europe regarding both ideology and economics.
    Very insightful; but also limited by his historical situation and assumptions.

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