A Very OTB speech: A Republic, Not A Democracy–A False and Misleading Slogan

Our present-day politics reminds us that the “unfinished work” of democracy is never fully complete.  

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Michael Bailey
About Michael Bailey
Michael is Associate Professor of Government and International Studies at Berry College in Rome, GA. His academic publications address the American Founding, the American presidency, religion and politics, and governance in liberal democracies. He also writes on popular culture, and his articles on, among other topics, patriotism, Church and State, and Kurt Vonnegut, have been published in Prism and Touchstone. He earned his PhD from the University of Texas in Austin, where he also earned his BA. He’s married and has three children. He joined OTB in November 2016.

Comments

  1. steve222 says:

    This is very well done and packs a lot of info into a readable piece. I just have one question/comment. While its clear that people who often claim we are a republic and not a democracy are doing stuff like trying to cast doubt on elections, disenfranchise voters etc, I dont see a clear connection between their actions and the claim we are a republic. Am I missing the relationships or are their claims just made up to support the actions we want to take.

    Also, every time I read it I amazed at how wonderful I find the Gettysburg Address.

    Steve

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  2. Just Another Ex-Republican says:

    A good speech. I can’t help but wonder though, if it misses part of why it gets pushed so hard by a certain camp by diving into the academic definitions. In some ways it’s nothing more than a psychological/propaganda trick: We’re a Republic (Republican) not a Democracy (Democratic). No one would say that out loud, but it’s an easily remembered pithy statement with an implied sub-text that individuals hear and too many are vulnerable to falling for. At least in my opinion. Especially when you consider how “liberal” has been turned into a swear word in modern politics, and thus a large set of Americans today would strongly object to the very idea that “liberal democracy” is even a worthwhile goal (because they don’t know what the words actually mean).

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  3. @Just Another Ex-Republican:

    We’re a Republic (Republican) not a Democracy (Democratic).

    FWIW, that has occurred to me. But it is worth noting that it was used in the past, which did not comport with the current partisan makeup of the country, including by segregationist Democrats.

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  4. Kylopod says:

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    But it is worth noting that it was used in the past, which did not comport with the current partisan makeup of the country, including by segregationist Democrats.

    “The Democracy” was initially one of the alternative names for the Democratic Party. President Jackson’s outlook could be described, however absurdly, as egalitarianism for white men.

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  5. Gustopher says:

    Our Founding Fathers used phrases about Democracy the same way that the Nazi’s used words like Socialism: as a set piece or a bit of window dressing, borrowing an increasingly popular bit of jargon to try to legitimize what they were actually building — a country where people of means could select which of their betters to rule them.

    It’s very People’s Democratic Republic.

    The Federalists didn’t want a Bill Of Rights — that was added as a compromise with the Anti-Federalists — and what bits of Democracy and Equality that the constitution had at ratification came from those. That’s something that should always be kept in mind when reading the Federalist papers to learn the intent of the founders. Also, they were propaganda.

    The Reconstruction Amendments radically redefined the relationship of the people to the state. It’s only after that where we can even begin to seriously claim that America is a Democracy, and we should note, of course, that the Reconstruction itself failed and that even now the Reconstruction Amendments are under direct attack with the Originalist Supreme Court being very reluctant to step in and say things like “yes, the 14th amendment said that all people born in the United States are citizens, the writers of that amendment meant that all people born in the United States are citizens.”

    Because Originalism means “fuck the Reconstruction, we want the old shit” (roughly)

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  6. Kathy says:

    The “we’re a republic” crowd doesn’t shy away from claiming majority support as justification when it suits them. Most recently, several illegal and unconstitutional Taco policies, get such justification. “It is what the people voted for.”

    That aside, all or most advances in civil liberties require broad popular support. Imagine passing civil rights legislation for racial minorities in the 1840s, or same sex marriage laws in the 1950s.

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  7. HelloWorld says:

    I’m no expert in the federalist papers, but isn’t there a lot in them about not narrowing the circle of governance but enlarging it? A republic without the spirit of democracy is destined to fracture and become tyranny. Protected speech and expanded rights are the surest safeguard of liberty. To defend voting rights and encourage participation is not mere sentiment; it is the fulfillment of the promise pledged in 1776: that government shall remain of the people, by the people, and for the people.

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  8. Kurtz says:

    I perused a Reddit thread this morning about this very subject.

    I had a similar thought to @Just Another Ex-Republican about one post that claimed something I have heard elsewhere a handful of times: replacing the phrase “pure democracy” with “true democracy” to describe the ‘direct’ democracy in Ancient Greece. (And that was not even the most egregious instance of bullshit in that thread.)

    There are a couple things that should, but rarely do, enter the conversation about democracy in Ancient Greece. I could be a little off on some of the following details, but that also points to one of the overall problems with using history the way many people (ahem, SCOTUS) use history—it is foolhardy to assume we have comprehensive knowledge of historical eras. Not to mention that our knowledge is limited to the documentation that has survived, which, the further back we go, is limited to the perspectives of certain figures. We cannot even come to a broad consensus on the details of events that we can replay on HD video.

    -One of the responsibilities of the boule—was to set the agenda for the ecclesia. That council drafted the proposals that were then put to vote by the assembly. The assembly could certainly amend the proposal during debate. But it was still drafted by a smaller council.

    Additionally, during assembly, citizens could propose new legislation, but that was typically tabled until a later meeting and filtered through the council process.

    -Until much later reforms, membership in the boule was unpaid. If one’s lot was drawn, the role could be refused. Because this work constituted a daily, full-time job, most poor people refused it out of economic necessity. Thus, the daily administration of government, and a gatekeeping role was, in practice, handled by the wealthy. (@Richard Gardner recently pointed out how the salary, responsibilities, and need to maintain two residences affect who runs for a House seat.)

    -As we see in our times, daily administration of government carries with it an enormous amount of formal power. To think that the people of Ancient Greece were too noble to leverage that power for their own ends is absurd.

    -Informal power existed then, as it always has. Whether bribery or threat of force, individuals in the assembly could be influenced to speak or not, or vote a certain way. Again, the popular imagination often fails to capture these sorts of limitations when it is convenient to do so, discarding it for a hazy view of noble civic duty.

    I am happy to be corrected about some of these points, but they certainly seem more plausible than the silly cartoonish view of solemn people in togas wearing wreath their head during a debate.

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  9. Kurtz says:

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    The right wing (re)defines person and/or citizen at will subject to shifts in winds.

    How many Staten Island Italians take full enjoyment of their relatively recent acquisition of whiteness?

    No different from their selective invocation of majority support.

    Democracy when I win! Republic when I lose!

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  10. gVOR10 says:

    Words are slippery things. They are defined as much by intuition making unconscious, emotional connections as by dictionaries. For some people “democracy” calls up images of those people voting, unfair taxes, and even a Black guy becoming president. “Republic” calls up a simpler, imaginary past when people knew their place and wise people like Washington, Taft, and Reagan governed wisely for the benefit of all, but mostly for the benefit of the right people, who deserved it.

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  11. @Kurtz:

    Democracy when I win! Republic when I lose!

    100%!

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  12. Michael Bailey says:

    @Kathy: This is absolutely correct

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  13. Chris says:

    Good overview… so, to sum up, we are a democratic-republic with elected representation in two of our branches of government, with the third branch being made up entirely of a few black robes who were selected by a minority of those elected representatives; meanwhile, the entire body of electors seems to be made up of too many nuts, fruits, and flakes.

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  14. Rob1 says:

    And going further back still, the John Birch Society—a group militantly opposed to desegregation—made it central to their worldview, describing democracy as “a perennial fraud” and “a weapon of demagoguery.”

    Ironic that the JBS and their heirs, made specifically this phrase (Republic not Democracy) a weapon of their demagoguery.

    I’ve encountered this Republic-not-Democracy deflection for over 30 years. Probing exchanges revealed that the utterer had no idea what they were talking about, seeking only to undermine a specific issue for which they had no knowledge in depth.

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