AI Side Trip

When AI search provides some morning levity.

So, I wanted to look at something I had written on the definition of fascism, and I put the following in Google: “Taylor fascism definition OTB.” Google dutifully provided, as the first search result, the exact post I was looking for. But the AI summary was another story. I almost didn’t even look at it. I am glad I did.

The first result was as follows.

The user’s query combines “Taylor,” “fascism,” and “OTB.” Based on the context provided, it is highly likely that “OTB” refers to  “off the board” as used in sports betting, which signifies that a game is not currently available for betting due to uncertainty. 

Or, better yet, the following.

The connection between Taylor Swift and the term “fascism” appears in some analyses and online discussions, but it is not a generally accepted or accurate definition of fascism.  A Slate magazine article from 2016 noted that some individuals with neo-Nazi or white supremacist ideologies had attempted to associate with her. Others have criticized aspects of her image or actions in ways that have been interpreted by some as micro-fascism, according to e-flux. For instance, one analysis suggested that her appearances and public persona might be seen as contributing to a politics of affect that serves as a precursor to fascism. However, these remain opinions and interpretations of her impact and public image. 

And there you go!

I guess I just have to deal with the fact that Taylor Swift is a more significant Taylor than is your humble blogger.

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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a retired Professor of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

Comments

  1. Jc says:

    Try typing “Taylor outside the beltway fascism definition” in Google gemini. Better results. Excerpt noted below:

    Taylor’s discussions often touch on the “slippery” nature of the term “fascism” and the reluctance of some scholars to apply it too readily, but his willingness to use it suggests he sees contemporary manifestations that bear enough resemblance to historical fascism to warrant the label. His work, as a political scientist “outside the beltway,” would likely aim to analyze these dynamics in a way that is accessible and relevant to a broader audience, rather than being confined to narrow academic debates.

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  2. Jc says:

    The full Gemini reply is actually pretty impressive. Imagine all the AI bots out on the web, insane….it will get to a point where it will be impossible to determine who is real and who is a bot….scary.

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  3. Scott says:

    @Jc: I wonder if it is possible to make or “encourage” an AI reply to reference other competing sources of AI replies and see what rabbit holes they go down.

  4. charontwo says:

    Atlantic has a piece on AI up now:

    Atlantic Gift

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  5. charontwo says:

    Atlantic has a piece on AI up now:

    Atlantic Gift

  6. charontwo says:

    @charontwo:

    From link above:

    Chatbots have proved adept at keeping users locked into conversations. They do so by answering every question, often through summarizing articles from news publishers. Suddenly, fewer people are traveling outside the generative-AI sites—a development that poses an existential threat to the media, and to the livelihood of journalists everywhere.

    According to one comprehensive study, Google’s AI Overviews—a feature that summarizes web pages above the site’s usual search results—has already reduced traffic to outside websites by more than 34 percent. The CEO of DotDash Meredith, which publishes People, Better Homes & Gardens, and Food & Wine, recently said the company is preparing for a possible “Google Zero” scenario. Some have speculated that traffic drops resulting from chatbots were part of the reason outlets such as Business Insider and the Daily Dot have recently had layoffs. “Business Insider was built for an internet that doesn’t exist anymore,” one former staffer recently told the media reporter Oliver Darcy.

    Not all publishers are at equal risk: Those that primarily rely on general-interest readers who come in from search engines and social media may be in worse shape than specialized publishers with dedicated subscribers. Yet no one is totally safe. Released in May 2024, AI Overviews joins ChatGPT, Claude, Grok, Perplexity, and other AI-powered products that, combined, have replaced search for more than 25 percent of Americans, according to one study. Companies train chatbots on huge amounts of stolen books and articles, as my previous reporting has shown, and scrape news articles to generate responses with up-to-date information. Large language models also train on copious materials in the public domain—but much of what is most useful to these models, particularly as users seek real-time information from chatbots, is news that exists behind a paywall. Publishers are creating the value, but AI companies are intercepting their audiences, subscription fees, and ad revenue.

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  7. CSK says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to the estimable…Dean Steven Taylor Swift!

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  8. Jay L Gischer says:

    Hmm, I just googled “Steven Taylor fascism definition” and the AI paragraph at the top begins with

    While “Steven Taylor” is not a widely recognized or authoritative source on the definition of fascism, the term itself generally refers to a far-right, authoritarian ultranationalist political ideology and movement.

    I guess that told you!

    Meanwhile, the number one link presented, the top choice returned by traditional search is:
    https://outsidethebeltway.com/defining-and-discussing-fascism-part-i/

    Your first post defining fascism. So traditional search did a very good job here.

    Full disclosure: I worked for Google for about a year, and during that time, I was part of the team evaluating how good a job search was doing, and what we could do to make it better. I didn’t really make much of a contribution, though it means I know pretty much exactly how they did it in those days. I’ll bet it’s quite a bit different now. So I’m kind of proud that traditional search was spot on.

    But if you think of Google’s AI responses as “what the entire internet would say boiled down into one fluently-written paragraph” it’s not too bad. Of course, the Internet is full of know-nothings, and fools and grifters.

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  9. CSK says:

    Let’s give it up for Steven Taylor Swift!

    I’ll stop now, and show myself out.

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  10. Kathy says:

    OTB in gambling circles means off-track betting. This refers to physical locations that allow one to place sanctioned bets on horse racing away from a race track.

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  11. reid says:

    If/when AI systems can know what they know and don’t know and know what is true, then they may finally pass a sentience hurdle and either be truly helpful or eventually kill us all. As of right, they dutifully spit out “answers” to the best of their abilities, but it’s obviously not safe to blindly trust the results.

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  12. becca says:

    I was hoping, if we all just ignored ai, it would go away.
    Didn’t work for crypto, either.

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  13. Michael Reynolds says:

    I guess I just have to deal with the fact that Taylor Swift is a more significant Taylor than is your humble blogger.

    I don’t think we can judge that til we’ve seen the two of you side by side in sparkly tights.

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  14. CSK says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    I’m waiting for Dean Taylor’s heartfelt rendition of “Shake It Off.”

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  15. Moosebreath says:

    “I guess I just have to deal with the fact that Taylor Swift is a more significant Taylor than is your humble blogger.”

    I get that a lot, to the point that typing my full name (including my unusual last name) into Google gets more hits for both of my brothers than for me. Even stranger, a distant cousin of mine was on American Idol about 15 years ago, and a Hollywood column with his name which was picked up by many newspapers was by far the most common hit.

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  16. Christopher Osborne says:

    who’s Taylor Swift?

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  17. Assad K says:

    You both do like cats though!

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  18. Flat Earth Luddite says:

    @Michael Reynolds:
    @CSK:

    Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    More alcohol! I need more alcohol! Or the costco pallet of brain floss!

    ETA athough I’m absolutely positive that our esteemed host absolutely ROCKS his sparkly tights. Way better than Luddite would.

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  19. Mister Bluster says:

    Who is Christopher Osborne?

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