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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

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  1. MarkedMan says:

    Well, somebody’s got to be first.

    I checked out the CNN/Roy Wood version of “Have I Got News For You”. Wood does a surprisingly good job. His persona from The Daily Show wouldn’t have worked, but he is a steadier, more mellow host that I expected. They need to figure out their panelists, though. On the second episode one of the “informed” panelists was a straight up politician and sounded like it.

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  2. Bobert says:

    I’m standing vigil while wifey is struggling in ICU…..but I caught a fragment of a show in the waiting room, could have been on PBS or BBC, that I’d like to know more about , if anyone is acquainted with it.
    It seemed to be a panel like discussion that featured a couple of journalists, a couple of secretaries of state, Mick Mulvaney, a social media executive, jeh Johnson. Each played a role in a thpothetical election interference scenario.
    Does anyone recognize this? I’d love to see the whole of the broadcast?

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  3. Mister Bluster says:

    https://outsidethebeltway.com/tuesdays-forum-169/

    OzarkHillbilly says:
    Tuesday, 5 September 2023 at 17:16
    @Just nutha ignint cracker: I’ve lived a good life, certainly not a boring one. I’ve seen and done things that few others have and even a few that nobody ever had before and one at least that no one has done since. I saved my sons’ lives a couple of times, and they had a hand in rescuing me from a dicey situation. I gave them both a youth that was incomparable to… I don’t know anybody who did the things my sons did growing up. I fought more than a few battles just because not fighting was unacceptable to me. Lost a few of them, won a few.
    In the end, I have very good relationships with both of my sons (something that was in doubt on more than one occasion) and their wives. I have 5 beautiful granddaughters who I get to see on a not infrequent basis. And best of all, I have a beautiful wife I love very much and who loves me. I have made her only one promise in the past 17 years and that is to outlive her, even if it’s only by 5 mins.
    I hope I can keep it.

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  4. MarkedMan says:

    @Bobert: sending good thoughts to you and your wife

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  5. Michael Reynolds says:

    @MarkedMan:
    I’ve long been a fan of the original Brit version*. Have not watched the CNN version, yet. But the UK cycles its hosts – pols, comics, actors. Boris Johnson was a frequent panelist and host. David Tennant (Dr. Who) is a frequent host, and Victoria Coren Mitchell** and others. It works because UK television runs a lot of panel shows, some political, most not. There’a a sort of repertory theater troupe of panelists who collectively have a lot of experience at banter and witty repartee.

    *The recently canceled Mock the Week was better.
    ** My wife in an alternate timeline.

  6. becca says:

    @Bobert: its called Deadlock on PBS. Gonna watch it myself.

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  7. Lucysfootball says:

    It probably was obvious, but I notice that Trump is only coherent when spewing out hate. His comments make sense, he talks in complete sentences, and there is a kind of linear thought process. It’s when he talks policy that he starts in with the Hannibal Lecter stuff, windmills cause cancer and the like. Kind of like the alzheimer patients who sound crazy for a while but every once in a while are completely lucid. For Trump the hate is what he feels comfortable with.

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  8. MarkedMan says:

    @Lucysfootball: Good observation. It’s notable that his hate is pretty simplistic and doesn’t require a whole lotta cognitive processing.

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  9. Michael Reynolds says:

    My wife is on tour, so it’s me, the dogs and the cat. Every time she’s away I come to the same conclusion: I need a hobby. I walk the dogs, have breakfast, shower and work. That brings me to noon. And then. . . Yeah. I should build model ships or something.

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  10. Monala says:

    @Bobert: sending good thoughts for your wife’s recovery.

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  11. Monala says:

    @Mister Bluster: a life well lived. May we all be able to reflect with such joy and satisfaction near the end of our lives.

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  12. Mister Bluster says:

    @Monala:..near the end of our lives.

    If we could only know when that will be…

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  13. CSK says:

    @Bobert:

    All the best to you and your wife.

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  14. CSK says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    Do what I do: Loll around and read.

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  15. becca says:

    @Mister Bluster: I was showing Mr becca some Ozark photos over at B-J. He was properly impressed.
    He knew of OH through me and my sharing of his comments over the years. When I told him of his passing, his expressed condolences were sincere and heartfelt. I must have mentioned the escapades of OH more than I realized.

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  16. reid says:

    @MarkedMan: Yes, as if we need more evidence that Trump is ignorant, dumb, lazy, and nothing more than a BSer. Grade school bullies tend to speak decently when picking on other kids, but when asked about the chapter they were supposed to read….

    ETA: I hope your wife is okay, Bobert. And sad to hear about Ozark.

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  17. Mister Bluster says:

    I guess you could say that I became politically aware during Ike’s campaign for re-election in the fall of 1956 when I was eight years old in the third grade. There was a large flatbed truck with rails on the sides that came down my suburban street adorned with red, white and blue banners and bunting and large pictures of Ike’s smiling face. Patriotic music came over the speakers mounted on the top of the cab and campaign workers stood on the bed of the truck throwing candy at all the neighborhood kids.
    We had a song that went like this:

    Whistle while you work
    Stevenson’s a jerk
    Eisenhower’s got the power
    Stevenson won’t work

    I remember my dad, an Ike supporter, telling me that it wasn’t very nice to say that.

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  18. Mister Bluster says:

    @becca:..Ozark Hillbilly
    Like others here I never met him personally. I did spend a few years working in the vicinity of his stompin’ grounds. I met all kinds of folks there and I know why he called The Show-Me State Misery. (It wasn’t just the roads.)

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  19. CSK says:

    Matt Gaetz claims that five assassination teams are out to get Trump: two domestic and three international (Iran, Ukraine, and Pakistan).

  20. MarkedMan says:

    Interesting article in the Times (no subscription needed). It turns out that among the youngest contingent, men are more likely to be active in a church than women, bucking a long established trend. It’s a pretty in depth article and doesn’t really try to answer why, which I appreciate as it would just be “experts speculate” type of stuff.

    I liked the article and am still processing it, but one thing did occur to me: here are these conservative young men who no doubt scorn affirmative action, who would adamantly assert that you should put the best person for the job in charge, but who nonetheless believe they should be put in charge of their family merely on the basis of their sex.

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  21. gVOR10 says:

    @CSK: If Matt Gaetz knows this and the Deep State doesn’t, shouldn’t somebody be asking Matt Gaetz some pointed questions?

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  22. CSK says:

    @gVOR10:

    Indeed. Gaetz didn’t offer any evidence for his contentions.

  23. Michael Reynolds says:

    DJT stock is now under $13, down from a high of $66.

    Trump’s personal stake has dropped from a high of 6 billion, to 1.5 billion. He’s lost 4 1/2 billion dollars in six months. Of course that 1.5 is a fantasy number. If he started selling his shares it would send the stock into a death spiral of panicked selling.

    Very much on-brand for the 6 bankruptcies man. How many Trump Bibles will he have to sell to make up the loss?

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  24. CSK says:

    @Michael Reynolds:

    Well, he can always fall back on the silver medallions, gold sneakers, and superhero digital trading cards.

    Meanwhile, Melania is adding to her personal pile o’ cash.

    http://www.rawstory.com/melania-trump-campaign-2669255193/

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  25. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @MarkedMan:

    I liked the article and am still processing it, but one thing did occur to me: here are these conservative young men who no doubt scorn affirmative action, who would adamantly assert that you should put the best person for the job in charge, but who nonetheless believe they should be put in charge of their family merely on the basis of their sex.

    That wasn’t my experience teaching college students. On the other hand, there may have been yet another sea change that I missed. Either way, I try to avoid assigning the biases that my generation brought into the forefront on people I don’t actually know. (…”who no doubt scorn…”)

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  26. DK says:

    @CSK:

    Matt Gaetz claims that five assassination teams are out to get Trump:

    McDonald’s
    Burger King
    Melania
    Dairy Queen
    Dunkin Donuts

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  27. Jen says:

    Well, it looks like there is one ethical Republican in Nebraska:

    A key Republican state lawmaker in Nebraska said Monday that he does not support changing how the state awards its electoral votes before the November election, foiling for now a last-ditch push by former president Donald Trump and his allies that could have reshaped the outcome of the presidential race. “I respect the desire of some of my colleagues to have this discussion, and I have taken time to listen carefully to Nebraskans and national leaders on both sides of the issue,” state Sen. Mike McDonnell said in a statement. “After deep consideration, it is clear to me that right now, 43 days from Election Day, is not the moment to make this change.

    Wow, who IS this guy?

    McDonnell is a former firefighter who left the Democratic Party to become a Republican this year after Democrats censured him for his antiabortion views.

    So, the most ethical Republican they have is a former Dem.

    Of course.

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  28. wr says:

    @Jen: Well, ethical is as ethical does. Apparently he wants to run for mayor of Omaha, and the odds of him winning that election would plummet if his slogan was “Vote for the guy who made you politically irrelevant!”

    But hey, I’ll take it…

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