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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

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  1. MarkedMan says:

    (Someone’s got to kick this open thread off!)

    A couple of tangentially related items: ChatGPT may be selling transcripts of your interactions and, at the very least, they are under no legal obligation to keep it secure. And 23andMe’s business model didn’t work out so well, and now they may go bankrupt. Their biggest asset? Their customers specific DNA record. One potential buyer is insurance companies, who are constantly lobbying to be able to deny people coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

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  2. Not the IT Dept. says:

    An interesting post on the changing media environment regarding politics, especially this year’s presidential election, and how the mainstream media are not getting it yet:

    https://www.messageboxnews.com/p/why-kamala-harris-went-on-call-her

    “The media — and Politico Playbook in particular — are fuming over the Harris-Walz media strategy. However, Kamala Harris is adapting to the changing media environment and strategically targeting the voters they need.”

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  3. clarkontheweekend says:

    Let’s be clear here, the reason all these Republicans can’t or won’t say tfg lost the last election is because they literally are in fear of their own voting constitients, full stop. You know, actual death threats. Can you imagine that. It happened to my brother who’s high up in Wisconsin politics. It’s really scary. It actually led to the break up of his marriage. That’s how deranged that political party is. The the line or you will be threatened. Add in getting off the conservative gravy train of grift and political and personal favors, being put out into the political wilderness if you will, that’s what makes them the calculated cowards they are.

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  4. MarkedMan says:

    @clarkontheweekend: Is your brother a Republican or a Democrat?

  5. Senyordave says:

    @clarkontheweekend: Then they should resign. I’ve never held a job where I would consider compromising my own safety, let alone my family’s.

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  6. Liberal Capitalist says:

    @Senyordave:

    Then they should resign.

    Really? This is the way that one should fight the MAGA? Resign and get out of their way to let them win? To accept lies instead of facts? To tremble before their threats?

    Really?

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  7. Kathy says:

    @clarkontheweekend:

    At some point, people need to ask themselves if threats of violence are worth the price of giving ever more money to the rich.

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  8. Gromitt Gunn says:

    @Senyordave: So, not a teacher, then. :-/

  9. Kathy says:

    Yesterday I made roasted chicken breasts. I put them in the oven at 180 C until they reach 72-74 C inside. This nets me tender, juicy chicken, and renders enough fat to make gravy. The problem is the skin doesn’t brown at all.

    Sometimes I let them cool and then place them in the air fryer for a few minutes to brown the skin. This tends to work well and doesn’t dry out the chicken (much), but it’s kind of a chore, and makes for more stuff to wash afterwards.

    So I got to thinking: what about a kitchen torch?

    I’ve never used one, and they’re meant more for desserts. Still, if it works, it would be quicker and more convenient than the air Fryer, plus no need to wash anything else afterward.

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  10. CSK says:

    Hurricane Milton is now a Cat. 5. Stay safe, all you Floridian OTB people.

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  11. Scott says:

    @CSK: Only the second Cat 5 hurricane in October in history.

    The speed of intensification was not predicted. Our weather models apparently need some adjustment.

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  12. Scott says:

    Fascism and bullying anyone? BTW, this same criteria can be applied to Elon Musk and any number of billionaires that have Government contracts.

    Trump allies threaten Deloitte contracts after employee leaks Vance comments

    Donald Trump’s supporters have threatened the consultancy firm Deloitte with the loss of lucrative government contracts if he returns to the White House after the election in November because one of its employees leaked critical comments about his presidential performance made by his running mate, JD Vance.

    “I’ve never seen anything like this,” the senior director of ethics at the non-partisan Campaign Legal Centre, Kedric Payne, told the Washington Post. “You can’t imagine that if one employee out of thousands made a statement that offended an official, that then the government contracts would be in jeopardy.”

    What is not made clear in the article is the the employee corresponded with Vance, not as an employee but as an individual.

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  13. CSK says:

    @Scott:

    Yes. Milton seems to have gone from a Cat. 2 to a Cat. 5 in an hour. Now the weather people are saying it will hit the Gulf coast as a Cat. 3. Bad enough. Again, stay safe, everybody.

  14. Grommit Gunn says:

    I have found myself in a position where I have two different job offers in two different states that will each provide an improvement over my current situation, but in different ways (one is a lot of money and a similar quality of life, the other is a little money and a lot of quality of life). A good choice to have, but analyzing the opportunity cost of A versus B is a lotta bit overwhelming.

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  15. Scott says:

    @Grommit Gunn: Congratulations. Always a dilemma. You’re probably not looking for advice but here it is. I tend to look to the long term. Short term pain for long term gain. By that criteria, if a lot of money sets you up for a quality of life that you want farther down the road, for a longer period of time, maybe take that into consideration.

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  16. CSK says:

    @Scott:

    That’s good advice.

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  17. Kathy says:

    I recently ran across a very odd term, Cliodynamics. TL;DR, it’s a scientific, mathematically rigorous modelling of history.

    One of the first science fiction works I read was 2001 (and kept reading the genre anyway!). One thing about that struck me about it, was how realistic space travel was depicted in it. I assumed all other “hard” science fiction would be based on real science. So when I read Foundation, I was terribly disappointed to find out there was no real science of history.

    Until 2003 or so…

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  18. Beth says:

    Ok, so the anti-trans coalitions are horror shows of Nazis, Christian Supremacists, Morons, Joanne, and freaks. Heritage and those buttholes tend to fund a lot of these idiots and they have a tough time of actually finding people they can use in court and for expert testimony.

    Enter John Michael Bailey. A man who believes that bisexuals don’t exist, is a big proponent of Butthole Blanchard’s theory of transness and believes that being trans is contagious.

    Is he a crank? Is he a really horrible crank? you betcha!

    The Missouri Independent reports that Bailey’s credibility was further questioned when he admitted to publicly supporting Jerry Sandusky, the convicted child molester, who was sentenced for crimes he committed while working at Penn State’s football program. In an exchange with Wright County Circuit Court Judge Craig Carter, Bailey affirmed his belief that Sandusky’s accusers had lied. “You believe the people testifying against Jerry Sandusky are lying?” Carter asked. Bailey responded, “I can see that if you are not familiar with the evidence that I am familiar with, you would be shocked.” This response cast doubt on Bailey’s reliability as an expert witness.

    https://www.advocate.com/news/missouri-gender-care-witness-credibility

    If you’re like, why does this nut sound familiar? Scroll down to “Fucksaw Incident”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Bailey

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  19. just nutha says:

    @Grommit Gunn: I’ll agree with Scott and CSK. Work is about money. When I went into teaching, it was no longer about work (but I’d already made money), and I’d also decided to simplify my life. Your situation seems the reverse of mine from what I follow from your comments.

  20. Monala says:

    I have felt the pinch of inflation in almost all my financial areas, except one: groceries. That’s because my daughter went off to college last year, and during the months that she is away at school, my grocery bill has declined by half.

    It recently occurred to me that this is significant. A few of us discussed after the Dobbs decision how mind-boggling it is that the media rarely if ever highlights that abortion and family planning are not just bodily autonomy or health issues for many women, but also economic issues. That’s because there is nothing more expensive for the average household than raising a child.

    And my experience proves this. What’s more expensive: feeding my child, or the increase in grocery prices due to inflation? Feeding my child, by a long shot. Likewise, which one will be harder on a family’s budget: inflation, or another child that you weren’t planning on?

    Yet the media still frames it as an either/or decision among voters: either they care about abortion or they care about the economy. They never seem to acknowledge that abortion is both.

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  21. Moosebreath says:

    @Kathy:

    “I recently ran across a very odd term, Cliodynamics. TL;DR, it’s a scientific, mathematically rigorous modelling of history.”

    The concept is not that new. When I was in college in the mid-80’s, I took a course on Cliometrics, which seems to be either a related concept, or just a different name for the same concept. We studied items such as how greatly railroads impacted GDP increases in the US, as opposed to spending the same amount on expanding the canal system.

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  22. charontwo says:

    Here is an excerpt from a Sarah Kendzior piece. I put some of the piece in the Mike Johnson thread, but here is, I think, more fitting:

    Sarah Kendzior

    SARAH: The Trump administration covers crime with scandal and covers malice with incompetence. I describe this tactic in-depth in “Hiding in Plain Sight,” but it’s one that you see throughout Trump’s whole life, from his days as a protégé of Roy Cohn up to today. It’s intertwined with his ability to manipulate the media. He has no shame, so he doesn’t care if people are mocking him or if he’s mired in a scandal that has no legal consequences. He cares about three things: money, power, and immunity from prosecution. If you threaten any of those things, you have leverage. But people would rather talk about how he wrote “covfefe” in a tweet.

    I don’t think Trump is some geopolitical mastermind; he only learns what he needs to know and leaves the rest to the lawyers. But he’s skilled at spin and propaganda. He played a fictional version of himself on television for over a decade and spent decades before that playing “Donald Trump” in tabloid media. This is part of what made him such an appealing target for the Kremlin and transnational criminal actors: he is an ideal frontman.

    But to sum up: when people say that Trump is incompetent, the follow-up question needs to be “incompetent at what?” Is he incompetent at governing, navigating bureaucracy, and strengthening America’s position in the world? Yeah, he probably would be, if he ever tried to do those things. But that’s not why he’s there. He’s in office to destroy this country and enrich himself, and he’s very good at that. He’s very skilled at that, and he’s spent his life building up those skills. The problem is that the U.S. political establishment insists on seeing everything through a lens that dismisses the idea that Trump genuinely has no interest in serving this country and, in fact, enjoys hurting this country. With Covid-19, for example, they kept insisting he was unqualified, he was making errors, and that’s why he let the virus spread. Whereas I saw the situation and said he’s doing this intentionally, he wants to kill people and make money off the crisis. He is absolutely willing to let Americans die; he gets off on it. And I was right.

    Trump also doesn’t mind if people know this about him. He likes to get caught; he doesn’t want to be punished. And since no one will punish him, since no one will set boundaries and contain him for the sake of this republic and its people, we are in a lot of trouble.

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  23. charontwo says:

    @charontwo:

    more:

    SarahKendzior

    But I’ve largely called him an authoritarian or autocrat instead of a fascist because “fascist” implies loyalty to the state. A fascist wants to embody and expand the state and usually has imperial ambitions. Whereas Trump wants to destroy the U.S.: he wants to strip it down and sell it off for parts to both domestic and foreign backers. His cohort’s ambitions are similar to what oligarchs and other hyper-capitalists did to the U.S.S.R. after its collapse — which is not surprising because the Kremlin and an associated network of plutocrats and oligarchs are the prime backers of this operation.

    You also see Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s influence, the head of an apartheid state, on Kushner, who is far more influential at devising policy than Trump. Looking at what has happened to Russia and Israel under their brutal leaders is a good guide for predicting what may happen to America, at least in terms of policies. But the difference is that Trump truly doesn’t care if the U.S. survives. This makes him different from dictators like Hitler or Stalin, who wanted to conquer, and who were deeply wedded to the idea of the nation-state. It makes him different from Netanyahu and Putin as well, because they want to expand their territory and preserve their nations. The Trump administration is simply a transnational crime syndicate masquerading as a government.

    That is why those who seek to keep our democracy and sovereignty need to understand that Trump does not even respect the traditional limitations of fascism: he doesn’t care if the country itself is defeated, as long as he is not defeated. So Americans who are standing up for our country need to assess their leverage in that context. We are dealing with a new kind of threat, and we need to come up with new measures to combat it. I encourage people to be very creative in their approach. Open your mind to the darkest possibilities of what they would do and then consider what mechanisms you would need to stop them. Don’t be hesitant or shy. Know that you’re not fighting alone and that there is not one simple solution to this, because we are not just battling Trump, we are battling a coalition of corruption amidst deeply broken institutions. Be resolute and flexible and strategic.

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  24. Monala says:

    @charontwo: wow. I’ve never seen it written in such stark terms, but I completely agree.

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  25. charontwo says:

    @charontwo:

    I think Sarah Kendzior’s description of Trumpism only holds until Trump passes his quickly coming sell by date. After Trump is gone, the GOP will be very different when the extreme Christians take control through people like J D Vance, Mike Johnson, John Roberts etc.

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  26. charontwo says:

    Florida at night on sep 28, dark area is helene caused.

    Elsewhere, you can see where the population is.

    FL

  27. Lucysfootball says:

    I stupidly keep thinking there is a bottom, but I need to remember who we are talking about. Im Jewish and I’m embarrassed that there are Jews who support this nazi:
    Donald Trump revealed an unhinged eugenics theory Monday, claiming during a morning rant that some migrants have “bad genes” that make them predisposed to committing murder.

    Trump spent a good chunk of an interview on the The Hugh Hewitt radio show slamming the policies of his political opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, and baselessly accused her of wanting to install a communist government.

    “How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murders, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they are not happily living in the United States,” he said. “And now a murderer, I believe this, it’s in their genes.”

    Read the full article. As has been widely reported, that 13,000 figure stretches back decades and most of those killers were or are incarcerated.

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  28. SC_Birdflyte says:

    @Moosebreath: As a former history instructor and a novelist, I can say that attempts to apply mathematical or other logical models to alternative versions of history is profoundly mischievous. That should be the domain of writers of historical fiction.

  29. CSK says:

    @charontwo:

    Milton’s winds are now up to 180 mph.

  30. Kathy says:

    @Moosebreath:

    I’ve mostly studied history as storytelling. What happened when, and sometimes why.

  31. Erik says:

    @Grommit Gunn: FWIW helping people sort through this type of complex decision making is a lot of what I do. Hit me up if you want to connect. (This is a friendly offer from one member of the OTB community to another, not advertising. I’d be happy to do it gratis)

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  32. Gustopher says:

    @Beth:

    Enter John Michael Bailey. A man who believes that bisexuals don’t exist

    “Bisexual” is often a label people try out for a little while before deciding that they are actually just gay. I can sort of see someone believing we don’t exist.

    We do exist, but I just can’t get worked up about someone doubting it* when many of the bisexuals/pansexuals they have met have just been gay a year later.

    Not that this guy isn’t a complete fuckwad. And I think we would all agree that people who are a fuckwad typically stay a fuckwad.**

    No real point, just rambling.***

    *: No one has to believe I exist, just leave me alone to pursue my life as I want. Honestly, I’d just as soon not be perceived half the time.

    **: they can change if they want to, and if they weren’t a complete fuckwad they might want to. It’s a bit of a catch-22, this whole fuckwad thing.

    ***: Really I just wanted to use the word “fuckwad” a lot.

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  33. Michael Cain says:

    @Scott:
    I was reading the forecast discussions Saturday and Sunday. The forecasters kept saying things like, “The regional models insist on making Milton a cat 4/5 storm before Monday.” The regional models are the computer models used for intensity guidance. So the computers were pretty much on it, but the human forecasters didn’t want to have the official forecast say record-breaking increases.