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Steven L. Taylor
About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a Professor Emeritus of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog). Follow Steven on Twitter and/or BlueSky.

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  1. charontwo says:

    Fine piece at The New Republic:

    Beware the Pundit-Brained Version of the DNC

    When Trump burst onto the scene, I was still a reporter in Washington covering national politics and Congress. I watched as the journalism-industrial complex of D.C. reporters and operatives around me tried to cast Trump as an atypical candidate who blew up the Republican Party. Casting Trump as an outlier—trying to make him an aberration instead of an outgrowth of a decades-long Republican effort to break our country—obscured the collective national gaze from something much more troubling for the people who make their living on politics: Trump didn’t break the Republican Party at all. He just broke the made-up Washington rules that empowered every lobbyist, reporter, and staffer to attend parties together without fear or reservation.

    snip

    Because if this summer has revealed anything, it’s that, just like the Scott Walkers of yore, we are watching the national media short-circuit before our very eyes. They are insular. They are unprepared. And after years of watching Morning Joe and searching for their birthdays in the Politico Playbook, they do not see their role as speaking to us, but rather speaking to themselves. While this may seem ancillary to the main plotline of our national politics, the mainstream media own-goaling themselves out of civic relevance is a net negative for anyone who believes in the outcome of better, more representative, good government.

    For years, largely because Republicans are better at working the refs and crying foul about any effort by the media to hold them accountable for their actions, the idea that the media are dyed-in-the-wool liberals has become the orthodoxy. Of course, the Beltway media are conservative. This is not a novel argument by any means: It’s an industry run by (increasingly reactionary) plutocrats, who reliably summon their charges to lead a highly effective, “But how will you pay for it?” pincer movement against anything resembling liberal policy. Meanwhile, there is seemingly no sin grievous enough to earn a Republican the same sort of nullifying skepticism—the Trumpists who aided and abetted the former president’s attempt to overturn a lawful election remain in the good graces of America’s cable news bookers.

    Still, we need to acknowledge that the media are conservative in the most traditional, unideological sense of the word: They are clinging to a status quo, their status quo, that has not matched our reality since Barack Obama was elected president in 2008 and the Tea Party emerged as the energized manifestation of Ronald Reagan’s 1980s fever dreams. Their rules, their conventional wisdom, their savvy takes become more stale, more detached from normal life, and more cartoonish with every passing day.

    The roller-coaster news cycle of this summer has revealed not only how little the media have learned from the Trump era of politics, but also how badly they want their little old world back, one where Republican operatives dressed as cable news pundits can shape the decision-making of the Democratic Party, “sensible” Democratic leaders are the ones who tack to the right to win over voters and politicians who can never be won, and everyone can grab a martini at Café Milano—Washington, D.C.’s version of what the late Anthony Bourdain would call “The Despots’ Club”—and laugh about it afterwards.

    Let’s consider the past few weeks in the life of The New York Times. This summer, the paper of record demanded President Joe Biden’s departure from the race. After getting their wish, they had criticism galore, which they expressed by pushing full stories on crystals-loving Marianne Williamson’s complaints that the party needed an open nomination process (without regard for the legal and logistical impossibility of such a process), followed by multiple columns chastising the elevation of the current Vice President, Kamala Harris, to the top of the ticket as a “coronation” (again, despite the fact that she was the only Democrat in the United States who could actually surmount the aforementioned legal and logistical challenges).

    They got what they wanted but, oh no, not how they wanted it! And when the veepstakes didn’t go to their precise specifications they then found a half dozen of Minnesota’s nearly six million residents to say they do not love Governor Tim Walz, Harris’s pick for a running mate, even as his favorability jumped 20 points after his announcement. Finger on the pulse, baby!

    snip

    During no event was this media disconnect from reality more evident than at the August 7 announcement of Walz as Harris’s number two on the ticket. Watching CNN, you would have thought that Harris had made a fatal error, that she was antisemitic and politically radical—despite being married to a literal Jewish person and having no such political record—for opting against Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. Anchor Jake Tapper could not process how Harris could have chosen an effective, proven Democratic legislator over an anti–public education governor whose state needed to pay almost $300,000 to settle a sexual harassment case involving Shapiro’s top liaison to the state legislature, who also happened to be Republican. Reporters and the Republican operatives-turned-pundits who are permanently seated next to them were flabbergasted, as a person with actual agency went against the stage direction they had coalesced around.

    Meanwhile, the images from the stadium at that very moment, which we could all see, showed thousands of people finally energized by and enthusiastic to support a ticket comprised of two fully animate human people who could put together cogent sentences about what it means to be a Democrat. Not to mention applause lines on how the GOP’s vice presidential pick is a weirdo. If the media’s job, in part and during live events, is to document what they are seeing to translate those observations to an audience, it appears they would prefer to create a fantasy world to talk about, rather than simply discuss what’s plainly in front of their faces.

    snip

    Which brings us back to the Democratic convention. It’s impossible to know every flaw or fault this chattering class will find in a convention that does not feature a lineup of Kid Rock or Hulk Hogan, or cheer on the likes of Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban or any of a number of extremely creepy and weird religious zealots. But you can bet there will be pearl-clutching about how Democrats are not reaching for a middle that is actually center-left, how clear articulations of the threats Trump poses to democracy constitute dangerous political rhetoric, and whether Democrats can win white votes using every euphemism for “white voter” that you can imagine.

    Do not let these talking heads fool you into thinking that normal, commonsense people or ideas—like keeping kids out of poverty, safe from being shot in school, and free to read books of their choosing at their public libraries—are fringe. We can see with our eyes what’s happening before us, and we know the stakes of what lies ahead even if that understanding does not make us as savvy as them.

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  2. OzarkHillbilly says:

    From, comes this little tidbit:

    In an interview with CNN, which first reported his endorsement, Luttig explained that arriving at his decision to back Harris wasn’t complicated. He described it as a simple matter of knowing right from wrong – not merely right from left.

    Simple? Maybe so, but also admirable. And at this singular moment for US democracy, all too rare.

    Well said, good sir, well said.

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  3. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Ex-NFL player Gosder Cherilus arrested after allegedly urinating on woman during flight

    Maybe they should check boarding passengers with a breathalyzer.

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  4. MarkedMan says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Still a trickle, but hoping it’s in the heart of the dam. Will more typical Repubs start running away from him? Not because of ethics or moral fiber, of course, but because they see him as a loser and are trying to make that failure stank doesn’t get on them?

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  5. Scott says:

    Why in the world are law enforcement officers allowed to stand in support of, in uniform, a political candidate. Especially in this day and age. Are they just asking to be distrusted by at least half the population? Or are they just stupid?

    5 key takeaways from Donald Trump’s August visit to Howell

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  6. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @MarkedMan: Not because of ethics or moral fiber, because they see him as a loser and are trying to make that failure stank doesn’t get on them?

    If there is one thing the age of rump has shown, there is no place for ethics or moral fiber or courage in today’s GOP, just kowtowing to every idiot thing that comes out of rump’s mouth. Eventually, (hopefully?) they will come to see that he is a loser that leaves failure stank in his wake, and they can not wash it off. Maybe then a *conservative* party can rise from the ashes.

    ** I’m not even sure what that word means anymore, certainly not what it meant 50 or 60 years ago.

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  7. Franklin says:

    @MarkedMan:

    “still a trickle”

    ?
    Not sure which of Ozark’s comments you are replying to 🙂

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  8. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Missouri headline of the day:

    Missouri set to start distributing new summer food aid for children

    What could be more Miserian than finally getting their Jeff City sht together for a summer food program on the first day of school?

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  9. Franklin says:

    @Scott: I couldn’t get past this in TFA:

    Among the people in the crowd was Patty Barlow, who said she believed Trump chose to come to Howell because it represents an “all-American,” patriotic city

    I’ve lived in the vicinity of Howell my whole life. I assure you that “all-American” translates directly as “all-white”. I loved that literally *dozens* of people showed up for the event.

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  10. Mikey says:

    @Scott:

    RATM had it right back in ’93:

    Some of those that work forces
    Are the same that burn crosses

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  11. MarkedMan says:

    @Franklin: I see what you did there…

  12. Scott says:

    Here’s a little bit of political history that I knew nothing about:

    This Is Not the 1968 Convention. Could It Be 1860?

    In 1860, on the cusp of the Civil War, the Republican National Convention in Chicago not only took a chance on a one-term congressman named Abraham Lincoln, but introduced the nation to one of the largest, strangest and ultimately most consequential campaign organizations in U.S. history: the Wide Awakes.

    I had never heard of the Wide Awakes. Found it fascinating.

    This is written by Jon Grinspan, the curator of political history at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of American History and the author of “Wide Awake: The Forgotten Force that Elected Lincoln and Spurred the Civil War.”

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  13. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Read this at 2 AM yestermorn, apologies to those who’ve seen it. Sorry about the long blockquote.

    When Carol Higgins was 15, she walked into Penistone police station in South Yorkshire with her mother to report that her father, Elliott Appleyard, had been raping her several times a week for the previous two years. She might not have used the word “rape”, because she wasn’t sure that was what it was. “I was upset, confused, petrified. I didn’t realise it was criminal because I thought he loved me,” she says. “I felt like I was to blame because I hadn’t kicked and screamed. He’d told me that it was normal. He said he had lots of friends who lived as man and wife with their daughters.”

    There was no shortage of corroborative evidence. Her younger brother had seen them “snogging” (his word) and found intimate images of his sister in a tin box by his father’s bed. Higgins had once confided in a schoolfriend and talked to the girl’s parents about it. A neighbour had seen love bites on Higgins’s neck when she was about 13. Higgins’ mother – who didn’t live with the family at that time – had confronted Appleyard about their daughter’s allegations and he had replied: “You fucking prove it.” There was also a large tattoo on Higgins’ back that read, “Caz and Sam” with a rose in between (Sam was Appleyard’s nickname). The tattoo had been his idea and he had taken Higgins to the tattoo parlour, though she had never wanted it. (“I felt cheap,” she says. “He often used to call me a ‘slag’ and I felt like one with that tattoo on my back.”)

    Higgins gave a 17-page statement, signed it and was given a painful internal examination. At the end of it, she was informed that Appleyard would not be charged. Apparently, the case wasn’t strong enough. There was no forensic evidence. The police told her that because her brother, who was 14, was a minor, his account was inadmissible. They said that, should the case reach court, her name and sexual history would be dragged through the mud. Could she handle it? Higgins said she couldn’t.

    This happened in 1984. Decades later, in 2005, Higgins tried again, phoning West Yorkshire police to report historical sexual abuse, and then again in 2012. In 2013 and 2014, she instructed two sets of solicitors to write to the police on her behalf, and in 2014 she also walked into Normanton police station in West Yorkshire, waited five hours, then gave another police interview. In 2015, she reported it yet again, but in June 2017 she was informed that the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had decided against prosecution. Police gave many reasons along the way, but much seemed to rest on her 1984 statement. It had been lost, so there was nothing to compare her account against. (Another time, she was told that it “hadn’t been lost”, it “just hadn’t been found”. Later, she was told it had been destroyed.)

    In January 2019, after more pushing by Higgins, who refused to let it rest, Appleyard finally stood trial. It took the jury less than two hours of deliberation to find him guilty of 15 sexual offences against her, including rape and sexual assault. He was sentenced to 20 years. Earlier this year, Higgins also received £15,000 compensation and a public apology from West Yorkshire police, acknowledging that her “extremely serious and truthful allegations took too long to come to justice”.

    Through all of this, Higgins has managed life’s milestones – she found a job, met a man, married, became a mother – while pushing for justice and also living in a state of trauma.

    It’s a long, and horrific read, and I don’t know how she found the strength and the courage to survive. It closes with:

    “I’m very fragile, still raw from it all,” she continues. “I still wake up every single morning scared, and have to talk myself round. My therapist used to say it was difficult for me to really heal when I was still fighting my case, consumed by this battle. This year, with the police apology, that’s behind me. I feel less angry. The tears of frustration are going. Now, I’m able to look at my childhood, my family and everything that happened and start to grieve. I think it’s a good sign.”

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  14. Kathy says:

    What is worse? To see bad things happen to good people, or to see good things happen to terrible people?

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  15. Kingdaddy says:

    FFS:

    Does this historic transition, and the air of compulsion about it, demonstrate democracy at its best — or something more sinister, even a “coup”?

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  16. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kathy: It’s all just part and parcel of life, and the only alternative is death.

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  17. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kingdaddy: And they wonder why DEMs won’t give them interviews.

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  18. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Kingdaddy: I should have added that they had the story lines all written up about the ’24 campaign and how DEMs lost it and now they’re pissed because DEMs aren’t cooperating.

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  19. OzarkHillbilly says:
  20. Jen says:

    OMG, I cannot believe that Obama went “there.”

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  21. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Harley-Davidson drops DEI initiatives amid pressure from ‘anti-woke’ activists

    Not at all surprising considering their products are designed to appeal to insecure fragile white males w/ severe pnis envy.

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  22. just nutha says:

    @Franklin: Maybe the one it was linked to?

  23. just nutha says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Laugh if you want, but now the governor gets credit for trying to accomplish something the lege and government had no intention whatsoever of doing, merely incompetent instead of callous. “We just couldn’t get our act together; isn’t that just like us?” [insert nods and winks here]

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  24. just nutha says:

    @MarkedMan: Alas, I didn’t. But I’m only a cracker and have always been slow on scatology.

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  25. just nutha says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: And people wonder why abused women kill their abusers rather than “seeking a legal resolution.”

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  26. Kathy says:

    I have been using AI in my writing.

    Not to generate the narrative, but to check what I’ve written. I do this two ways:

    1) I feed it a scene and ask for a summary. This lets me know if the scene conveys what I meant to say, at least to the AI.

    2) When I’m unsure of a sentence, I feed it to the AI and ask if it thinks it’s clear, or too long. Now, usually it will offer a rewrite, regardless of whether the sentence was clear or not. I ignore that.

    I also asked it for help with some technobabble. Specifically I asked how close to the surface of a yellow star, like the Sun, does an object need to be to complete and orbit in six hours. It didn’t give me a number of kilometers, but implied it was so close that the object would suffer major damage in short order.

    The last is just a very specific search. The AI search just finds the exact datum rather than an article of Wikipedia entry that contains it.

  27. Kathy says:

    McMaster has written another book, this one on his time at the Felon’s so-called administration.

    The link gives some details on how Mad Vlad played the Orange Felon.

    I expect I may get to it. But it would need to be before the election, as I hope I, and everyone else, might finally lose interest in the Felon if Harris wins in November*. And I was a bit disappointed in his book on LBJ’s (mis)handling of the Vietnam War (TL;DR, Johnson, for all his failings, was president of the US, not only of the war in Vietnam).

    *Other than seeing that he pays for his many crimes.

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  28. CSK says:

    @Kathy:

    I can’t think of a U.S. president who’s ever been as despised and mocked as much as Trump has been by his own employees.

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  29. charontwo says:

    @CSK:

    I can’t think of a U.S. president who’s ever been as despised and mocked as much as Trump has been by his own employees.

    Some of them have been doing little cameos at the DNC convention.

  30. CSK says:

    @charontwo:

    I know. Has such a thing ever happened before?

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  31. Eusebio says:

    @Kathy:

    Did McMaster ever express regret for his infamous “It didn’t happen” lie following reporting of Trump passing highly sensitive national security information to Russian officials in the White House? He tried to respond with run of the mill weasel wording such as “as written” (to a WaPo story, I believe), which was plainly evasive and so maybe not terribly deceptive. However, when he then stood in front of the press and the world and said it didn’t happen, the context of “it” was clear, and his statement was the worst kind of bald-faced, damnable lie. There were soon more reports backing up Trump’s security breach, and Trump himself saying basically that yeah, he did it, but he was allowed to do it.

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  32. Kathy says:

    @CSK:

    I can’t think of a previous US president who tried to screw his own country, and gave advance notice he’d go at it harder if elected a second time.

    @Eusebio:

    No idea. I just read the piece on The Guardian, not the book.

    I wouldn’t expect him to.

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  33. Monala says:

    @Kingdaddy: a lot of commenters are taking the article to task, but I especially like this succinct opinion:

    Democracy isn’t threatened by how political parties choose their candidates. Democracy will be carried out in November when we vote for president. Democracy will be threatened if the results in November aren’t accepted.

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  34. charontwo says:

    It appears abortion access will be on the ballot in AZ:

    Link

    The Arizona Abortion Access Act will stay on the 2024 general election ballot after the Arizona Supreme Court rejected arguments from Arizona Right to Life that the measure’s 200-word description is misleading.

    In a unanimous decision affirming a prior ruling from the superior court, justices found the abortion act’s description accurately described the measure and concluded a reasonable person would be able to discern its key provisions.

    “The Description explains each of these provisions and the tests that would apply to restrictions upon that right. Nothing in the Description ‘either communicates objectively false or misleading information or obscures the principal provisions’ basic thrust,’” Chief Justice Ann Timmer wrote.

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  35. Kathy says:

    You know, nothing prevents Joe Biden from running for president in 2028 at 86 years old, should he live that long.

    As to the Felon, regardless of whether he wins or not*, I predict that he will run in 2028, if he doesn’t die first. Yes, I know he can’t run for a third term, but he probably doesn’t. Besides, the Crow & Leo court will rule the relevant constitutional amendment to be unconstitutional if this pleases the patrons.

    *To prevent an adverse outcome, I recommend sacrifices** to Zeus, Athena, and Hera. Now, Politics and government are not Hera’s bailiwick, but in the Trojan War legends, she offers Paris dominion over Asia in exchange for voting her the fairest. That’s government and politics in one sentence.

    **I recommend going through all the ritual, with prayers and offerings, but to omit the actual sacrifice of the animals, not to mention the butchering and cooking. Let the deities pick them up at their leisure.

    Also, do light a fire anyway, and extinguish it with a drink offering. And by that I mean fine wine, or spirits if you want an update. And I mean fine. Use boxed wine, or cheap booze, and you may find out you get what you pay for

  36. Lucysfootball says:

    Any chance this story has legs?
    Former President Donald Trump may have called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss a potential ceasefire deal with Hamas that President Joe Biden’s administration is currently negotiating. Now, experts are saying Trump may have committed a felony.

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  37. Mikey says:

    In the least surprising news of the day, RFK Jr. is ending his campaign and will endorse Trump.

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  38. charontwo says:

    https://x.com/OurShallowState/status/1826372001176625489

    MSNBC has reported that weirdo RFK Jr. plans to suspend his massively impactful 2024 campaign and endorse Trump and his fellow weirdos.

  39. CSK says:

    @Mikey: @charontwo:

    RFK Jr. offered to endorse Harris-Walz in exchange for a cabinet position.

  40. charontwo says:

    How Trump is looking currently:

    Trump_MSNBC

  41. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Lucysfootball: To the best of my recollection, Reagan committed the same felony only involving Iran. Anybody with any stroke to address the misdeed ever end up caring about it?

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  42. Matt Bernius says:

    @Lucysfootball:
    At this point, there’s no there there.

    The Trump Camp and Netanyahu have denied any call happened. And currently it looks like the story is based on a single unnamed source.

    In a post on X, Woodruff said Wednesday she wanted to clarify her comments.

    “As I said, this was not based on my original reporting; I was referring to reports I had read, in Axios and Reuters, about former President Trump having spoken to the Israeli Prime Minister,” Woodruff said. “In the live TV moment, I repeated the story because I hadn’t seen later reporting that both sides denied it.”

    “This was a mistake and I apologize for it,” she said.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office told The Jerusalem Post Wednesday that Woodruff’s statements were a “complete lie.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4840421-woodruff-apology-trump-cease-fire/

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  43. Kathy says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    And didn’t Kissinger and/or Nixon too?

    But in this case, it might be worth the attempt to prosecute. Namely because in this case, the Felon can’t hide behind the phony Crow & Leo court decision of immunity, nor muddle the case with the same decision.

    The big problem,as I imagine is common in such cases, would be to obtain adequate probative evidence that can get a conviction. A recording of the call would be great, if there is one. How to obtain it? the parties in the call won’t want to produce it, again if there is one.

    I suspect either the Felon offered something to Bibi, or the latter asked for something the Felon agreed to. More weapons, maybe, or a free(er) hand in the West Bank, or asylum for when Bibi’s luck finally runs out and he’s convicted himself.

    The odds just don’t look good.

  44. Franklin says:

    @CSK: Well what’s funny about this is that Trump may have “promised” him a position of HHS or something. But I think I read that his VP Shanahan was less than confident that Trump would keep his word on that. But then again, Trump only hires the “best” (bootlickers). So I’m not sure which way this would go if Trump won.

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  45. Kathy says:

    I get it that a 1,600 km daily commute is ridiculous, and doesn’t help Starbucks improve their coffee one bit.

    The thing is, don’t tell anyone, many airline pilots do something not quite dissimilar, albeit involving shorter distances. Often a pilot will be based in, say, LA, but live in San Francisco (just as an example). If this is the case, said pilot will hitch a free ride in one of his airline’s flights. Usually this means the cockpit jump seat (it’s there mainly for instructors and check pilots, so it rarely gets used), but they may score an empty passenger seat as well.

    This doesn’t necessarily happen daily, it varies by route assignments (a hellishly complex thing in its own right), and other factors (like monthly flight days). But an average of 3 times per week strikes me as a good guess.

    I find it nerve wracking when I read about it. What if you can’t find passage? Call in sick? Drive? Take the bus?

    As to the link, it’s a 2.5 hour flight. I know Americans have longer commutes than many other countries, but spending 5 hours every day, nearly 1/4th of a day, just getting to and from work, would drive me insane.

  46. Gavin says:

    If nothing else convinces anyone that the media is wildly both conservative and PRO republican, consider the ramifications of the following.
    RAND corporation [conservative defense consultancy, hardly any sort of liberal] conducted a simple economic comparison of asset possessions in 1980 and today. Instead of proof of “trickle down” after 44 years of Republican deregulation nomsense, what they found was trickle UP to the top 1%.
    The value in 2024 is 40 trillion dollars of difference.
    40 trillion that would be in the hands of everyone else is today instead in possession of the top 1%.
    Spare me with your platitudes about “Republicans are always better on the economy” — The question is for whom are they better? Not for you, reader of this thread.

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  47. Just nutha ignint cracker says:

    @Kathy: I’d forgotten about Nixon and Dr. K, 🙁 But I think that all three contact events were in the campaign stage rather than the Presidential stage of their careers, so the recent Supreme’s decision applies to no one.

  48. a country lawyer says:

    @Kathy: I know FEDEX pilot who once commuted from Memphis TN to Alaska.

  49. Kathy says:

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    Given the immunity decision, I wouldn’t be surprised if the so called justices find a constitutional provision that El Felón cannot be found guilty of anything for any reason.

    @a country lawyer:

    The one way this makes sense to me, is if the pilot flew international routes to Asia. As I recall, FedEx has its main hub in Memphis. I can see this person flew to Alaska as a passenger, and then flew either the same or another plane as a pilot, and maybe not on the same day.

    Until recently they operated a great many more MD-11 and DC-10 freighters, which don’t have the range to make it from Memphis to Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, etc. The route would require refueling in Alaska.

    I could also have it all wrong.

  50. Grumpy realist says:

    @Mikey: aside from the head-scratching and muttered “ well, that’s…weird…” I’m seeing from the pundits, someone also pointed out that this basically totally explodes any pretense of RFK Jr. ever having a serious political career in the future.

    Considering the increasing number of fruitcakes that Trump has been accumulating around himself, I suspect another four years of Trump as POTUS would be associated with a high death rate. As Ben Franklin so cheerfully said:”a republic…if you can keep it.”

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  51. Grumpy Realist says:

    @Franklin: I think the main reason for the drop-out at present is because VP Shanahan has become tired of funding the money pit that is RFK Jr’s run for president.

    I’d say too bad that she didn’t decide this earlier, but at least now a large chunk of change that might be donated to Trump has already been burnt up.

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  52. MarkedMan says:

    @Kathy:

    but spending 5 hours every day

    Sure, but he can work during the commute. Makes a world of difference

  53. Mikey says:

    Bill Clinton is speaking at the convention now. You can hear the age in his voice, but he’s still an excellent speaker.

    Interestingly, he’s using written notes rather than a teleprompter

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