An Update On The “Pressure Cookers” Google Search Story
Presumably because I blogged about the issue this morning, I just recieved the following email from the public information office of the Suffolk County, New York Police Department: (click to enlarge)
Here’s the text of the statement:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 1, 2013As a result of numerous media inquiries, received today by the Suffolk County Police Department regarding an internet blog posting, the following statement has been made available.
Suffolk County Criminal Intelligence Detectives received a tip from a Bay Shore based computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee. The former employee’s computer searches took place on this employee’s workplace computer. On that computer, the employee searched the terms “pressure cooker bombs” and “backpacks.”
After interviewing the company representatives, Suffolk County Police Detectives visited the subject’s home to ask about the suspicious internet searches. The incident was investigated by Suffolk County Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Detectives and was determined to be non-criminal in nature.
Any further inquiries regarding this matter should be directed to the Suffolk County Police DepartmentSuffolk County Police Department
Public Information Office
(631) 852-6308
So, apparently, it wasn’t the FBI. Nonetheless, this raises as many questions as it answers.
Perhaps about the irresponsible media who ran with original blog post as fact, like The Atlantic Wire for example.
Companies monitor employee internet use and search history all the time.
So you think it’s okay for the police to send out a task force to question a seemingly normal middle class family over a couple web searches?
Man, it’s really sad to see what’s happened to civil liberties in this country
@Doug Mataconis:
Well… They’re seemingly normal now that they spoke to them and looked into the issue. They didn’t know that ahead of time. In what way were the husband and wife’s civil liberties violated? The company volunteered the information to the police, and the police asked if they could speak to the wife and look around the house.
@Doug Mataconis:
Is this to imply that if they’d had say a different sounding name you might be more supportive?
Yeah, well this is misbehavior by private industry, the employer. The police seem to have acted reasonably. That’s very different than PRISM.
Without knowing what the former employer thought about the ‘recently discharged employee’, it seems pretty impressive that Our Gracious Host is certain that this was completely unjustified. Neighbors perhaps?
@Doug Mataconis: Ok then, if this was unreasonable, can you please provide clear objective criteria for when police should conduct such a visit?
A “recently released employee” was found to have researched bomb-making activity on the internet through the work computer…so, it’s an issue to have investigated this because there’s no such thing as workplace violence?
Yeah, I’m going with nothing to see here, move along.
@Doug Mataconis: If the new release is accurate, the company gave the police the information because the company was alarmed at the search history. The police came out (probably a bit too earnestly, given there were 6 cops), found nothing and left. That’s not a civil liberties violation. Maybe a panicky former employer, but we don’t know how whichever Catalano left the company. Maybe it was an involuntary termination, maybe it got hostile. Maybe the sysadmin there has nothing better to do that root through logs because he or she is a busybody.
The press release is a FAKE. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!
I guess I should go ahead and mention that I’m only kidding. Don’t want any knocks on my door. But seriously, while I would greatly object if all my scary Google searches caught up with me, if the press release is accurate then I don’t see why Doug feels any civil liberties were violated.
And as another commenter pointed out, if this family’s last name had been Arab instead of Italian then would anyone question the propriety of the LEO house call?
As reported – this was a warrantless search. This is tyranny and should be firmly rejected by a free people living freely. If there was no warrant, there should not have been an entry. If there was no warrant, then the police either did not have enough evidence to get a warrant or didn’t feel that the case was important enough to seek a warrant. This is unacceptable behavior, especially of a civilian police force, in a free state of free people living freely.
Nothingburger. Like just about all the “civil liberties violations” turned up after the Snowden affair.
In the meantime some real civil liberties violations are being perpetuated by the Texas and North Carolina legislatures. Maybe we should all focus more on those?
@Warrantless Entry:
You don’t need a warrant when the individual gives you permission.
Gawker: How A Paranoid Blogger Made Everyone Scared to Google Pressure Cookers
” Nonetheless, this raises as many questions as it answers.”
Like what? Seems like some paranoiac at some private company called the cops, and the cops did their job and investigated, finding nothing wrong. Then some paranoiacs of a different kind — the Dale Gribble kind — went nuts on the Internet based on some bullshit blog post.
So, what questions have been raised?
@Rusty Shackleford:
Yes – that is true. But the presence of 6 armed police officers is also intimidation. This is the kind of behavior citizens should be protesting on a daily basis. We, the citizens, are at extreme risk of losing even the slim surface rights we currently are allowed to have… And without a warrant – this extreme show of force should be seen for what it is – intimidation by a overgrown, overzealous, over-proud police force. Where is the ACLU? Where are the laws preventing this kind of horrible abuse of power, force, and authority?
The media was all over the FBI for their failure to stop the Boston bombings.
Now the media is all over a police department properly investigating a legitimate tip? Police (and associated agencies) are constantly in a no-win situation.
If the recently dismissed employee had gone on to set off a bomb and it was found that the employer had chosen not to alert the police to their concerns, or the police had chosen not to investigate – then what?
It’s probably not that relevant, but Police can use Google too, so if they’d Googled the author’s name they’d probably have found the photo on Flickr of M66 fireworks by her where she says – “As you know by know, I have this proclivity for fire, flames, things that explode, etc.”
@Dan Mitchell:
I resent that
@Doug Mataconis:
Most middle class families seem to be normal even those where a family member is planning to kill other people.
Key also is that it appears the same person did both searches…which is counter to the original story.
Like most of these libertarian fever-dreams…when exposed to the real world…meh…
@C. Clavin: It’s unclear who searched for what, when.
The original blog author summised that her search for pressure cookers and her husband’s for backpacks were the reason for the police visit.
The police say that in fact they were tipped off to suspicious search activity on a work computer by someone’s former employer.
They are likely two entirely different things. She tried to understand what they visited and jumped to the conclusion it was as a result of the Google searches at home, whereas it was actually in response to a direct tip from a third party.
Basically…the worst parts of this story were complete fiction…but you refuse to let it go.
I think some introspection on your part is in order.
@PJ: Didn’t Arlington Road teach us to always be careful of middle class Tim Robbins because he will blow sh!t up and blame the neighbors?
The danger here is an entire security apparatus being condemned on the basis of mis-information. Yes… If you are a libertarian…this case that has nothing to do with NSA metadata collection raises questions about NSA metadata collection.
Between this and his nonsense economic posts…Is there any reason to take Mataconis seriously anymore?
Please provide us a link to the Press release on the Suffolk County website. I searched the website and there is no such Press release there.
http://apps.suffolkcountyny.gov/police/morepress.htm
Also note that the Techcrunch Press release picture (that you show here) is formatted differently from the other Press releases on the SCPD website.
@Warrantless Entry: You could say “liberty” nine times, too, you know. Your post would have so much more weight if you did.
As for the “warrantless search,” the police don’t need a warrant if you let them into your home. And it’s not “tyranny” if you let them into your home. Free free freedom free people free. Freedom.
@Rusty Shackleford: But, but, but … tyranny!!!1!
Also: Free people living freely in a free state of free people living freely. Liberty!
@Warrantless Entry:
Melodrama serves nobody.
@Warrantless Entry:
In court, doing the hard work of fighting for your rights.
It’s good that the contact was explained in a credible way, rather than leave it as evidence of routine BB monitoring by the government.
Nonetheless, I think folks are missing an important issue here which is corporate spying at the workplace. It’s done routinely and considered quite legal. For example, literally, they can and do read personal emails from gmail accounts and so on.
As for this incident, I wonder if it was really necessary to START with a SWAT TEAM style raid on the home. Doesn’t anyone in law enforcement know anything except SWAT raids?
@Muudy Road:
Plain clothes PD with holstered standard issue sidearms showed up, displayed their badges and were invited in. The husband consented voluntarily to an interview and a cursory look about his house. They shook hands and then left him to go about his day.
@Jeremy R:
And you were there? So you know exactly what happened?
Intimidation by the state is exactly why we have things like Miranda – which should be expanded to include a requirement for police officers to indicate that they either have a warrant or not – and that you have a right to not allow them to enter.
Based on the info in this post, I don’t see the problem.
A “recently released” (fired) employee searched for “pressure cooker bombs” (on a company computer, and they monitor those, ya know). The employer likely worried said employee might want to “go postal” but with a bomb instead of a gun. That’s a reasonable concern.
By the way, Doug, I really don’t understand what “a seemingly normal middle-class family” is supposed to have to do with anything. Would the same scenario be different if it was a somewhat eccentric working-class family, perhaps with a strange last name? Think it through. I don’t think you have.
Dupes.
@Rob in CT:
There is no time indication of when said search terms were entered on said employer computer. The time frame and search terms may be entirely logical considering the events of the last few months. You are extrapolating reported information and coming to conclusions without having any actual situational information. If the police had a warrant, that would show they had probable cause – and that they had bothered to do their homework… but they didn’t have a warrant – and so the logical conclusion is that the police did not have probable cause and yet still showed up with 6 officers flashing guns and badges and blocking driveways — this shows the extreme laziness and sloppiness allowed by today’s police force… and should be a major alarm bell for those that care about remaining free from intimadtion and occupation by a power hunger police state…
However, delusional people are bound to hold onto delusions… and the police are always on your side…
Alicublog on the background of the original blog post author:
Charming . So you have an Instapundit Mini-Me who is also part of the virulently anti-Obama Pajamas Media mob. When she conjures up this “ZOMG Obama NSA worse than the Gestapo” story, the PJers and fellow travelers at Malkin media immediately swing into action and make this nonsense a thing on the Internets, and Doug falls into line. Populist libertarianism in action!
@Warrantless Search:
Such classic projection. This is like a dictionary definition of what projection is.
@stonetools:
Would that be projection on the x-y axis or the y-z axis? I don’t know – perhaps the police force is made of entirely non-political entities that always act in society’s best interests… and since we know this to be true, of course it’s fully acceptable to allow this sort of non-intimidation of the citizen populace by a citizen police force without a warrant, without probable cause, and without explanation of any common rights the citizen being questioned may or may not have…
Or maybe the police in general feel that they are above the law — and routinely turn on their emergency lights to bypass traffic, make illegal u-turns, speed on the highways, and generally endanger travelers without fear of reprocussion… and perhaps the reported intimidation event is just an extension of the “I am the law – and so not subjected to it” attitude that is so prevelant in today’s young and very powerfully armed police officers…
@stonetools:
You know that if you feed them, they stay … 😀
@HarvardLaw92:
And if you build it, they will come.
Are all people who disagree with someone to be subjected to the over used label of troll?
By all means – show the warrant. Or get off my lawn.
Shooting the messenger does not nullify the truth.
@Warrantless Search:
No, just the conspiracy loonies.
@HarvardLaw92:
No where did I indicate nor refer to any conspiracy of any kind… the suggestion that the police used intimidation tatics to get what they wanted without needing to indicate that the citizen in question had rights to reject the intimidation is undisputed fact in this case… I indicated that this a problem… and you indicated that my non-extroplated fact based reasoning is somehow akin to conspiracy theorists rantings… sure – ok – that makes sense…
@Warrantless Entry: The original article said that the police asked to come in and the home owner agreed. When he told them certain areas of the house were off limits, they didn’t search those places. If I were the home owner I would have told them to get lost right away, but that’s not what happened. There was no violation. If you give police permission to search your home, and they do, no law is broken.
@Warrantless Search:
When presented with pretty convincing evidence that the police acted properly, your first reaction was to question the validity of the evidence. That is the hallmark of a conspiracy theorist.
They grab on to any factoid, however specious, that supports their agenda / delusion, while rejecting any evidence that challenges it.
You, specifically, are off on some tear about jackbooted thugs, and I’m just not interested, either in hearing it or in further dignifying it as though it merited the slightest bit of attention.
Go sell crazy elsewhere. I’m not buying.
@HarvardLaw92:
What is this convincing evidence?
It would seem to me to be highly important when the search terms were entered.
– However, there is no indication of the timeline.
It would seem to me that it is highly important that if there is convincing evidence, that a warrant be sought to investigate properly. This would be important for reasons of validity of evidence at trial, as evidence that is obtained without a warrant is routinely discarded by jury trials.
No – the police did not act out of good faith, nor following best practices, nor seemed to think that either good faith nor best practices were important in this case…
And, unless you have better and more complete knowledge of the event than is posted by both the police and the citizen – you and others have unduly maligned the character of a fellow citizen based on no actual evidence…
@Warrantless Search:
I’m guessing you don’t get when you’ve been dissed. Take the hint. No further response will be tendered.
@HarvardLaw92: @HarvardLaw92:
It doesn’t matter to me if people are listening — but – oh the stupid – it burns!
I’m not sure what’s happening here-I follow a link that says he googled “pressure cookers”, and “backpacks”. Then I get here, and it says he googled “pressure-cooker BOMBS”?
That’s a world of difference apart. I’m not sure a all that there is any story here, once you take in that his search was done on a computer at work, he was let go, and that his employer, or former employer, notified the police.
@stonetools:
I believe the appropriate comment is “Heh, indeed.”
@Warrantless Entry: I don’t understand. If you have nothing to hide, then there is no reason why you wouldn’t want to let police take a quick look around in all the rooms of your house. Did you notice that the police did not go into the room where their son was sleeping? That shows they were considerate and this was an informal visit just to make sure there wasn’t a problem.
So they say.
I would like to have their statements and evidence corroborated before believing this release.
Well…except that a lot of people have died in order that I don’t have to let police take a quick look around my house.
This has always been a conundrum for me…I’ve got nothing to hide…but still…
@Warrantless Search:
My summation was from Michele’s initial post. She was recounting what her husband had told her:
https://medium.com/something-like-falling/2e7d13e54724
@Doug Mataconis:
Are you saying the police should not follow up if someone reports their concerns?
Try this:
Go to Google or Bing search in a web browser. If you’ve done something to disable the as-you-type suggestions, re-enable them (most people will have them enabled by default).
Without typing quotation marks, enter the words pressure cooker into the search field. The search engine will try to associate your query with those made by other people, or information on and between pages – some internal suggestion logic. Because a few people in the world have recently been trying to make pressure cooker bombs and kitchen-related death is always a hot story, the search engine will helpfully provide the word bombs. If you’re curious, or just by accident, you’re likely to perform the search. If the search engine is ambitious it will actually do the search and provide the results on the fly, possibly before you’re done typing or even mentally completing your query.
So who asked for bombs?
When the cops arrive a few hours later, remember never to let them enter your home without a warrant. Forcing them to obtain one is really the only way to inform your legal system that it has become idiotic.
Note that this small effect creates a notable difference between searching for “pressure cooker bombs” (with binding quotation marks) and pressure cooker bombs (without). Not that you can actually conclude anything about human intention either way. You need the rest of the NSA logs for that.
@nan:
It’s amazing how many people fail to read the actual article before commenting.
@Doug Mataconis: America ,the land where they praise vigilante citizens ,,and worry about Google searches