AG Monday!

This week: raiding for a lost artifact.

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You can hear the soundtrack start to play in your head already…

No history of early geekery would be complete without Raiders Of The Lost Ark. In this episode, we talk about the roots of this movie in serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, in the pulp magazines like Weird Tales and Argosy, and in radio dramas like The Shadow and Suspense. And of course, we talk about the movie.

What did we expect, when we heard that a high adventure movie was coming soon, from both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg? What was it like to see it for the first time, in the theaters, along with everyone else? What lasting impact did it have, not only on young geeks like ourselves, but in that intersection between geek culture and popular culture? And why were the imitators so reliably inferior to the original?

Snakes! Nazis! Questionable academic practices! Fantastic filmmaking! And is this more of a Spielberg or a Lucas movie?

Ancient Geeks is a podcast about two geeks of a certain age re-visiting their youth. We were there when things like science fiction, fantasy, Tolkien, Star Trek, Star Wars, D&D, Marvel and DC comics, Doctor Who, and many, many other threads of modern geek culture were still on the fringes of popular culture. We were geeks before it was chic!

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5 responses to “AG Monday!”

  1. “Raiders of the Lost Ark” was one of those “WOW!!” Movies for me when I saw it in a theater, and I still love it. But it is also a movie that has an ethical code we (or at least the non-MAGAs) have moved on from. Stealing people’s religious artifacts is no longer an admirable thing. “Star Wars” faced a similar dilemma when it had to deal with the idea of Princesses and Emperors for Episodes I, II, and III, which it resolved by making Leia an elected (!?!?) princess.

  2. Might as well start with the unpopular opinion: meh.

    It’s a good popcorn movie. For me to say this, it counts as high praise, regardless of the initial assessment. But that’s all it is. Great stunts, good effects for its day, first rate costuming, no anachronistic TV aerials in a densely populated town, even a decent story, good characters, stock trumpy villains (and a quisling).

    My big question at the time was “how come a Spielberg and Lucas movie with Han Solo is not science fiction?”

  3. @MarkedMan:

    Stealing people’s religious artifacts is no longer an admirable thing.

    Nor is having white actors play Arab characters…

    …which it resolved by making Leia an elected (!?!?) princess.

    Leia remains unresolved. Padme was the elected queen, and then a senator.

    Electing a monarch is rare, but has some precedents. Various regional rulers in the Holy Roman Empire elected the Holy Roman Emperor.

  4. @Kathy: FWIW, I think the “white people can’t play X” is a passing thing that will eventually just fade away. After all, actors, by definition, play people they are not.

    The most absurd playing out of this was “Crazy Rich Asians” (which I enjoyed). Here in the US it was hailed as a breakthrough for minority actors and just overall a victory for the good guys. But I couldn’t help but notice:
    – Singapore was portrayed as essentially a subset of, and nearly synonymous with, China, a politically fraught thing to do and something that is definitely in harmony with PRC propaganda
    – “Asians” meant Han Chinese pretty much exclusively, i.e. the largest and most powerful majority group in the world, and the completely dominant ethnicity of the PRC, which is actively engaged in current day colonialism. Well, with the exception of…
    – Indians, who were portrayed only in the background, and then exclusively as servants

    I’m pretty sure there were other issues that struck me at the time, but given that it is a light hearted and somewhat screwball romantic comedy, I didn’t think it needed to bear the burden of changing the world

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  5. I forgot to mention there’s a Mythbusters ep with Raiders of the Lost Ark myths.

    Side note, they built a huge simulated boulder around a human hamster ball, but then decided there was no point in testing it.

    IMO the recipe for a successful Indiana Jones movie is: have Indy search for a Biblical artifact the nazis are also looking for.

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