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An Excellent Illustration of Christian Nationalism

Hegseth didn’t label Mormons as “Christian” on his list and Mike Lee isn’t happy.

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Let’s get to the heart of the matter: a key aspect of Christian Nationalism is being able to exclude persons that those in power do not like from being given full rights and privileges as citizens. The whole point of fusing national identity with a given religion is to assert that only persons who adhere to the state’s preferred religious beliefs really belong. By definition, this means first dividing the world into “Christian” and “non-Christian,” then determining who and what “real” Christians are.

For those who are not particularly religious, or who have little direct experience with Christianity in the United States, that may sound odd. But just stop and think about the history of Protestants and Catholics in European history to remind oneself how these arguments can go. Or, if one needs a very contemporary example, look at how conservatives mock James Talarico’s faith as somehow not being real.

As I have noted before, I was raised Southern Baptist and spent a good deal of my life, well into adulthood, in either Baptist or non-denominational Evangelical churches. For much of my late teens, twenties, and into my thirties, I tried mightily to apply an intellectual understanding of the faith and the Bible, which included reading quite a lot about deviations from standing Christian orthodoxy as well as divisions within that orthodoxy. As such, I read quite a bit about things like Mormon theology v. basic protestant theology. There are some very important differences, for what it is worth. I say this as a matter of fact, not as anything else.

Beyond any of that, just sitting in various services over those decades, here are the kinds of things I was taught. In Baptist circles, Catholics were viewed on a scale from asserting”they were misguided in their theology” to people asking “are they really Christians?” to some who would say that they weren’t. I had a pastor at a Calvary Chapel in California repeatedly question the faith of mainline Protestants. And one thing was for sure: Mormons, Christian Scientists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses were members of cults. A prominent example of this can be found in the work of Walter Martin and his very influential (at the time) book, Kingdom of the Cults.

The point of bringing all of this up is that Christianity has a lot of internal division. And while, say, Evangelicals and others may be happy, in this moment, to see “Christian” as some big umbrella, once they get more power, don’t expect them to continue to operate that way.

Hegseth’s list that James Joyner noted a few days ago illustrates this principle. Eliminating 180 religions from the Defense Department’s list of recognized religions was a signal about what was “real” and what wasn’t. This was rather boldly reinforced by the fact that 21 of 31 religions listed (just over two-thirds of the list) are variations on “Christian.” As I stated in the comments of that post, I have no strong feeling about what the right number of religions should be, and can understand from a bureaucratic point of view that maybe 221 designations is unruly. But I will state, also, that I would prefer a system that errs more on the side of inclusion than exclusion.

At any rate, one of the designations still on the list, as James noted, was “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)” but there is s a major difference between that listing and the 21 that precede it in the list. See if you can see it.

  • Christian – Assemblies of God (AG)
  • Christian – Baptist (BA)
  • Christian – Brethren (BR)
  • Christian – Catholic (CA)
  • Christian – Church of Christ (CC)
  • Christian – Church of God (CG)
  • Christian – Church of the Nazarene (CN)
  • Christian – Episcopal/Anglican (EA)
  • Christian – Evangelical (EV)
  • Christian – Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW)
  • Christian – Lutheran (LU)
  • Christian – Methodist (ME)
  • Christian – Non Denominational (ND)
  • Christian – Orthodox (OX)
  • Christian – Other (CO)
  • Christian – Pentecostal (PE)
  • Christian – Presbyterian (PR)
  • Christian – Quaker (QU)
  • Christian – Reformed (RE)
  • Christian – Scientist (SC)
  • Christian – Seventh Day Adventist (SA)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)

The Mormons are not classified as “Christian” but instead are classified on the list as being one of the other ten categories that aren’t “Christian” (e.g., Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs).

This raised the ire of some of Utah’s members of Congress.

Here’s Representative Kennedy’s thoughts:

Senator Mike Lee is quite exercised, calling it “offensive” and “repugnant.”

He also seems to almost understand, at least when it is his ox being gored, why the US government shouldn’t be getting into making judgments about religion.

Once the government moves away from inclusivity and decides that, yes, being a Wiccan is just silly, or whatever, then you are not that far off from hardcore Evangelicals showing you that, in fact, they think Mormons are not a denomination but, in fact, a cult. Wait until the people who follow Doug Wilson tell you what they really think about Catholics.

Too bad no one studies history, or even contemporary world politics, as they might discover that many of the bloodiest fights are not between different religions, but instead within a religion over who belongs to the true faith.

Ultimately, there are only two ways to guarantee that your faith, whatever it may be, is protected. There is the illiberal pathway of religious nationalism wherein your faith is the official faith, and other faiths (or lack of faith entirely) are either tolerated as the pleasure of the ruling elites or persecuted and outlawed.

The other route is a liberal, pluralistic democracy wherein everyone’s faith is legally protected by a neutral, secular state.

Once you move away from neutrality, someone has to decide what is “proper” religion and what isn’t. And the more the state becomes infused with the notion that it is the state’s job to determine which faiths are proper, the more power will be wielded against the improper.

This whole issue of listing religious affiliation for the DoD is, on one level, small potatoes, but it is a small peeling away of the curtain to see how these people think.

But while it is true that Evangelicals have been more accepting of Mormons as belonging in their club since at least Romney’s run at the presidency, I don’t think that they really, truly accept that notion. Yes, they all believe in Christ, as Lee states, but their versions are rather different. And when you think you know the truth, you tend not to be in the mood to tolerate people whose version of the truth deviates from your own. Indeed, history shows that the greatest intolerance is often not Religion A versus Religion B, but it is the fight within Religion A over their view of God.

I will end with a family anecdote that illustrates the point. I learned as a small child that one of my aunts was estranged from the rest of my family because her denomination (I think it was the Church of Christ) thought that the rest of the family (mostly, if not all, Baptists) were going to Hell because the Church of Christ was the correct approach to Christian beliefs.

All of which is to say that we need to find our way back, as a country, to liberal pluralism before this gets ugly and we aren’t just fighting over bureaucratic lists.

UPDATE (James Joyner, 1544): It appears the Department got the message.

23 responses to “An Excellent Illustration of Christian Nationalism”

  1. When George Zimmerman was being interrogated after the murder of Trayyvon Martin, he noticed the detective was wearing a cross on a necklace. He asked her if she was a Catholic. She replied, “No, I’m a Christian.”

    Silly me. I had always labored under the delusion that Catholics were Christians. The first ones, in fact. But what do I know? I wasn’t raised in any religion.

    As Queen Elizabeth I said, “There is only one Christ Jesus and one true faith. The rest is a dispute about trifles.”

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  2. Jew boy here. It seems to me that mainline Protestantism has been declining, and Fundamentalist and LDS have increased their membership over the last generation. LDS faster than the Fundamentalists. To me this is the source of the friction between the two groups. Hegseth is perfectly willing to put his thumb on the scales for his preferred outcome. Dear LDS, that’s our world now.

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  3. The other route is a liberal, pluralistic democracy wherein everyone’s faith is legally protected by a neutral, secular state.

    On top fo that, it’s important no faith be favored over others. Specifically, that no speech or actions that do not violate other people’s rights be forbidden because they contravene some stricture of the favored faith. That’s what the non-establishment clause of the first amendment means.

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  4. I remember when Romney got the Republican nomination in 2012, there were a lot of articles about how this meant that Mormons were being welcomed into the fold of mainstream Christianity on the right.

    It was very similar to how Obama’s election solved racism in this country.

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  5. Beyond any of that, just sitting in various services over those decades, here are the kinds of things I was taught. In Baptist circles, Catholics were viewed on a scale from asserting”they were misguided in their theology” to people asking “are they really Christians?” to some who would say that they weren’t. I had a pastor at a Calvary Chapel in California repeatedly question the faith of mainline Protestants.

    As a son of a Methodist pastor, I find this gobsmacking.

    I can say with great confidence that my father couldn’t have cared less which Christian denomination was the true one (he took great pride in being ecumenical) and I suspect he didn’t get worked up about other faiths either. He preached that there was a sacred truth about how we should do unto others and all other religious trappings were ceremonial.

    What possible value does an affirmation that your faith is real and everyone else’s is lesser have in the here and now?

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  6. So Mike Lee is triggered now? I’m in a very mild schadenfreude mode.

    Nevermind that Pete Hegseth is incompetent and unqualified to be the
    Secretary of Defense (or Secretary of War). Nope, he dissed Mormonism and THAT’S somewhat unforgivable.

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  7. The alliance of convenience among different religious groups who elevated Trump was always going to fracture once MAGA got into the White House again. For example, te Protestants who see the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon and the Rod Dreher-type Catholic fringies are strange bedfellows, to say the least. Animosities like these are at least as old as the Arians versus the Athanasians.

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  8. @Kingdaddy:

    Rod Dreher was raised a Methodist, converted to Roman Catholicism, abandoned that in 2006 over the sex abuse scandal in 2006, and now Eastern Orthodox.

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  9. @Gustopher:

    I remember when Romney got the Republican nomination in 2012, there were a lot of articles about how this meant that Mormons were being welcomed into the fold of mainstream Christianity on the right.

    As Kennedy did for Catholics. Think about it. As a society we’ve advanced from Catholics being de facto banned from major office to the FBI firing agents who investigated trad Catholic far-right extremists. Ain’t that America.

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  10. @Slugger:

    It seems to me that mainline Protestantism has been declining, and Fundamentalist and LDS have increased their membership over the last generation. LDS faster than the Fundamentalists.

    If that is really true and not merely an artifact of increasing Evangelical political power and visibility.

    Link 1

    Bar chart above looks like it shows Evangelicals as a decreasing proportion of all Protestant or all Christian voters.

    Link 2

    Above a chart implying some demographic trends.

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  11. @CSK: I used to read Dreher at TAC. I think of him as a lost puppy, searching for the one true faith that will have the comforting smell of his owner’s shoe. He apparently liked Orban’s shoes.

    Much error flows from asking the wrong question. Of late I think about Karl Popper and his open and closed societies. Dreher is looking for a closed society that will feel right to him. His question is – what faith is “right”. He can’t accept uncertainty, that the correct answer is often, “I dunno.” Too often the question is, “What is “right?””. The correct question is, “Given uncertainty, what should we do?” The prime example is, of course, abortion. Dreher holds that abortion is evil, a sin, which “we” must ban. Most people are debating whether abortion is “right” or “wrong”. Roe was actually a pretty good answer to, “Given sincere, deeply held, differences on abortion, what should we do?”

    Also, Trump’s immigration policies make sense if you have decided immigration is evil. It’s a lousy response to, “Given conflicting opinions and conflicting interests, what should we do about immigration?”

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  12. There is quite an anti Mormon strain in Texas. The big controversy in North Texas is the height of the spire on a new temple.

    LDS church in Texas moves ahead with controversial 120-foot spire

    A controversial LDS Church temple in North Texas is moving forward with a 120-foot spire despite pleas from the town’s mayor to lower the height.

    Plans for the new development date back to October 2022, when the LDS Church first announced an initial design with a 174-foot spire and 65,000 square-foot building-a proposal quickly rejected by the town.

    After extended negotiations between church leaders and town officials, including the threat of legal action for religious discrimination, Fairview reluctantly approved a permit for a 30,000 square-foot building with a 120-foot temple. The temple will also have restricted timing for outside lighting.

    Not that zoning has ever been that popular in Texas except for race purposes.

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  13. @CSK:

    As Queen Elizabeth I said, “There is only one Christ Jesus and one true faith. The rest is a dispute about trifles.”

    Several of her predecessors were either beheaded or beheaded others over the opposite view.
    @Kathy:

    it’s important no faith be favored over others.

    That sounds good in principle, but it’s absurd in practice. There are too many faiths to, for example, make all of their holy days state holidays. We’re culturally Christian in the West, so will naturally favor the secular expression of Christianity.

    Specifically, that no speech or actions that do not violate other people’s rights be forbidden because they contravene some stricture of the favored faith.

    That much is much easier and more or less the standard.

    @Scott F.: Baptists are Evangelical. Saving others from Hell is a core belief of their faith.

  14. @Scott F.:

    Ah, but everyone knows Methodists are a bunch of theological squishes! 😉

    Except, of course, the ones who broke away recently over having to tolerate gays.

    What possible value does an affirmation that your faith is real and everyone else’s is lesser have in the here and now?

    When you get all wrapped up in your head about what salvation is, and isn’t, you get a little kooky. (Such is my over-intellectual response for the moment!)

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  15. I am regularly amazed at my fellow Catholics who support prayer in public schools, apparently either not aware of what those prayers might be or not aware of what idiosyncrasies the Catholic Church teaches.

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  16. @James Joyner:

    For all the pearl-clutching war on Xmas rhetoric, few people object to the major Christian holidays being public holidays. Mexico has a stronger and much more explicit church and state separation, and there’s one such public holiday, Christmas, plus a high percentage of public and private employers also grant good Friday (pleonasm), and the day of the dead (Nov. 2nd).

    That much is much easier and more or less the standard.

    It increasingly is becoming less the standard. I grant the Dobbs decision and the draconian measures against trans youth, and trans people in general, were not couched in religious terms, but that’s the root of it.

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  17. @Scott:

    A controversial LDS Church temple in North Texas is moving forward with a 120-foot spire despite pleas from the town’s mayor to lower the height.

    Interesting. As currently planned, Trump’s proposed new Arch ‘de Trump is 250-feet tall, not including the gold adornments at the top.

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  18. Anyone remember when Robert Jeffress railed against Romney during the 2012 primaries on the grounds that Mormons weren’t Christians, but after Romney won the nomination he favored him over Obama, a mainline Protestant?

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  19. Not sure Whiskey Pete, with his cross tattoo harkening to the Crusades and the slaughter of millions of Muslims, is the correct arbiter of religiosity.
    Which religion accepts his long record of sex abuse and adultery?

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  20. Liberal Capitalist Avatar
    Liberal Capitalist

    We have entered the “No True Scotsman” phase of MAGA Nationalism, to be played out like the Stalinist purges, but instead of siberia it is banishment from the Mar-a Lago in-crowd.

    The True MAGA will define itself narrower and narrower as to maintain its purity of vision and fervent faith to the orange one (may he live 1000 years.)

    We can only hope that it continues to do this until it is reduced to the size where we can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.

    And that would be the end of performative conservatism.

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  21. @CSK: My evangelical Church of England (Australian branch) family felt a mixture of contempt and compassion for Roman Catholics. Contempt because of all their weird beliefs like transubstantiation and opposition to cremation; and because of all those bells and smells and Latin gibberish (this was a long time ago). Compassion because they were all going to Hell, no doubt about it.

    We had a convent/girls’ school in the neighbourhood. We kids were terrified of the nuns (full black habits still in those days) and made fun of the girls – “Protestant Protestant ring the bell! Catholic Catholic go to Hell!”

  22. @CSK: Thanks for that correction. I was thinking of Dreher in the old days, before even fringe Catholicism wasn’t good enough for him.

  23. Amusingly, when the DOD gave a further expanded list of what denominations were intended to be included in each top-line denomination (and you have to wonder if they’re going to be breaking things down like that anyway, why the need to consolidate (I mean, you don’t have to wonder, you know, but …)) Orthodox Judaism was listed underneath Orthodox Christian, presumably because they both contain the word “Orthodox” in them. And Reform Judaism was listed as Reformed Judaism.

    Also, I’m not sure how that tweet fixes anything; it’s clear how the people running the Department view things. That they’re not explicitly saying Mormons aren’t Christians doesn’t mean that’s not what they believe. (And if Mormons are Christians, shouldn’t Muslims be classified as Christians as well?)

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