Asinine Quote of the Day – Blame the Muslims Edition
The shooter “at the U.S. Holocaust Museum is not a Muslim but a White guy, James W. Von Brunn, who is a neo-Nazi. But that is a distinction without a difference.n fact, it is because of Muslims–who are the biggest contributor to the worldwide rise in anti-Semitism to Holocaust-eve levels–that neo-Nazis feel comfortable–far more comfortable!–manifesting their views about Jews.” – Debbie Schlussel
Huh?
I don’t blame Christianity or Christian leaders or even white supremacists generally for Von Brunn’s murderous action. He is, so far as we know, a lone kook and part of no organized conspiracy. But, really, it’s the Muslims’ fault?!
Schlussel explains,
Until 9/11 and our resulting new tolerance for Islam, the neo-Nazi types were marginalized and howling at the wind. We know who has been targeting Jewish museums and centers affiliated with Jews in recent years. And it hasn’t been, in general, 89-year-old White guys telling people at churches worldwide and in religious schools that the Jews are the devil incarnate, a filthy tribe, the sons of pigs and monkeys, subhuman, etc.
No, it’s guys with names like Mohammed and Ahmed on our own American streets who make Mr. Von Brunn far more at ease in 2009 than he was even in 1999 to attack places associated with the Jews. They created the comfort zone for James W. Brunn to engage in today’s shooting.
The rash of anti-Semitic attacks in America, with a frequency unheard of in previous contemporary U.S. history–on synagogues all over the country, a Jewish community center in Seattle, and now this Holocaust museum–have all happened since 9/11 and our new tolerance for Islam and all of its intolerant extremism. This is no coincidence. It is a correlation.
Unless I’ve missed something, neo-Nazi types are still marginalized and howling at the wind. This is made abundantly clear by the fact that there has in fact not been a “rash” of attacks on Jews in the United States since 9/11. Wikipedia devotes an entire category page to this subject and I count nine domestic attacks over a span of nine years, including yesterday’s incident. Almost all of them have been by neo-Nazis, white racists, or ordinary vandals.
Further, if you click through to the individual entries, we see that some of these places, such as Temple Beth Israel (Eugene, Oregon), were attacked multiple times before the 9/11 attacks. All by non-Muslim white anti-Semites or ordinary vandals seeking to create mischief. It’s hard to argue that the 1994 attacks were caused by George W. Bush being too nice to Muslims seven years later.
DougJ makes a similar point:
I hate to bring Hitler into this, though, as T Paine points out, it’s hard to avoid bringing up Hitler when you’re talking about Nazis, but I have to wonder, does Schlussel believe it was the presence of Islam in Germany that created the comfort zone for Hitler to begin perpetrating the Holocaust? After all, he had been on the planet for over 40 years before he felt comfortable doing it. And what about the pogroms that went on in Europe for hundreds of years? Were they also caused by tolerance for Islam?
Indeed. And, is it just me, or should people who toss around ” the JOOOOOS” to make fun of anti-Semitic views be careful about ascribing views to entire religious and ethnic populations?
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“does Schlussel believe it was the presence of Islam in Germany that created the comfort zone for Hitler to begin perpetrating the Holocaust?”
Statement correct, BUT the Presence of Hitler in Germany gave Islam a comfort zone to riot throughout Palestine in the late 30’s and 40’s against Jews. In fact the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a guest of the Fuhrer while hiding out from the British during WWII and proposed the creation of an “Islamic Brigade” within the SS.
And today where is the greatest concentration of copies of Mein Kampf and “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” for sale? Not northern Idaho or whatever rocks these Nazi idiots are hiding under…its Cairo, Tehran and elsewhere in the “Islamic Street”. And who is providing funding for David Duke? Look at CAIR and other Islamic civil rights organizations.
What a stupid remark.
Mithras, I dunno about that. Absent any data from either of you I don’t know as I’d be so quick to dismiss the linkage.
That said, we have no evdience the guy was anything but a lone actor. With that in mind, it seems simple enough to determine his motivation:
He’s 88. Close on the end of the run. I suspect “Suicide by Security Guard”… Instead of home in bed helpless, he wanted to die in a blaze of glory fighting against “the Jews”, to be a martyr to “the cause”… And of course, true to form, he fouled even that pathetic action up.
It’s certainly a guess, but it just as certainly fits the situation.
Truth75 – Just as an aside (I think this whole business about blaming Islam is a lot of crap), the Muslim SS unit wasn’t a fantasy.
I don’t want to sidetrack the thread but two things:
First, the recent words of Rev. Wright:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/11/2009-06-11_rev_wrights_back_again__blaming_jews.html
Second,
I don’t often see “the JOOOOS” used in that context. I usually see it in the opposite manner, to make fun of the extremist views, much like we all do with “it’s Bush’s fault” for everything.
My rough understanding is that many of the neo-NAZI groups are expressly atheistic, like the World Church of the Creator. In case people have forgotten about one of its adherents, Benjamin Nathaniel Smith (from Wikipedia):
I think that’s what James was saying … isn’t an anti-Semitic view an extremist view?
Yes, my head is in my arse. My bad.
Many but probably not most. You are correct about the World Church of the Creator, though (a funny name for an atheistic group).
But there’s certainly plenty of counter-examples. Any group related to the “Christian Identity” movement feel that the Bible supports their anti-Semitism and racism. Examples include the Aryan Nation, the KKK, the Identity Church Movement in England and the Christian Party in Scotland.
In reference to the shooting, not this article, a fellow white separatist, John de Nugent, expresses dismay:
I laughed out loud. It was in this article.
Sorry, but Brunn proffered so many different conspiracies that he almost defies description. He’s a white supremacist, but was anti-government for decades. He’s an anti-Semite, but also anti-Christian.
He’s a 9/11 Troofer and also believes that the Obama Administration his covering up his background.
Schlussel goes overboard in trying to tie together Brunn’s anti-Semitism with Islam, but the one theme that does bind all of Brunn’s craziness is that anti Semitism.
It has nothing to do with Islam, and so far nothing I’ve found suggests that Brunn was influenced by Islam or Islamists.
Schlussel is working way to hard to avoid the obvious. The simple answer is as it is. 9/11 may have made this guy more hateful and scared, but he was hateful before it. Schlussel and their ilk just have an issue accepting responsibility. The right wing always blames it on something else or the “who could have imagined” line.
I didn’t realize that until I saw some of his rants quoted in the comments to Schlussel’s blog: Christianity is a Big Lie and Hoax, apparently to blame for the fall of the Roman Empire. Could be neo-pagan.
None of which is to suggest pagans, Christians, atheists, Muslims are culpable in the slightest. The guy is a nutter.
I miss the days when we blamed Alice Cooper and Eminem for everything bad that happened. Where are Joe Lieberman and Tipper Gore when you need them?
Christianity is a Big Lie and Hoax, apparently to blame for the fall of the Roman Empire.
Well, Edward Gibbon thought something similar. Barbarism and Christianity, right?
Actually, there’s an earlier and simpler way:
I couldn’t find a YouTube; too bad, I recall it was pretty funny the way it was sung.
I gather that was filmed at the Isle of Wight, but the phtographers got kinda distracted when the crowd started rioting. (Pissed they hadda pay for tickets as I recall)
Hell of an audio recording, though, at least form the standpoint of ‘what the heck is going on THERE?’.
Got it on a Radio Shack loss-leader collection that they released on Columbia records … double album set, on the early 70’s. You can tell it’s a film soundtrack, though… had a slight 16fps jiggle they apparently couldn’t get rid of when they cut the disk.
Let me make a recommendation to all of you.
Rand Simberg has a great article up on all of this I think you need to read.
Schlussel will say whatever it takes to get on TV. When reading her (if you have to) it’s best to keep this in mind.
That it makes no sense is not particularly important to her – as long as its provocative.
Randy Simberg calls the nutjob a socialist, but I think if you follow through to the Frontpage Magazine article that he links, you see that the murderer hated “the Jew” Marx and his brand of socialism/communism. Instead, he advocates Western Socialism, which unlike national socialism, appears to be based upon the “ethos of the West,” i.e. a shared Western mythology, not a national mythology. This is just fascism; you can argue it’s place on the political spectrum, it’s just not on the American political spectrum.
Front Page
Pretty much the case, PD, yes.
But as I pointed out in the comments there and at my own place, that won’t stop them trying to make him fit their talking points.
Oh, so on that basis, it would be wrong to call the president a “fascist” as he is part of the American political spectrum…
Actually until recently he’s been off the left end of the American political spectrum. as it is, he’s still fairly close to that edge. And yes, that denotes fascism.
re: Eric Florack | June 12, 2009 | 06:20 am
Good luck with that argument…granted, it has worked with the far right fringe…the same group, ironically, that Von Brunn and Roeder come from…
Your label gun needs a refill.
Obviously yours doesn’t, as you continue to refer to the president by the same tired and untrue label over and over and over again…