Some Odd Claims by Trump
On cows and windows.
So, I have noted some things that I think are truly disturbing about Trump of late because of the profoundly serious implications of his rhetoric.
And then there is just the plain off-the-wall stuff.
Via The Hill: Trump tells child there will be no cows nor windows in buildings under Harris.
“I’ll tell you what I love, I love cows, but if we go with Kamala, you won’t have any cows anymore,” the former president responded to the child’s question. “I don’t want to ruin this kid’s day.”
He then called Harris a “radical left lunatic.”
This is not the first time the Republican nominee made this claim about cows. Trump made similar remarks at a North Carolina campaign eventin July and during a Nevada rally with Hispanic voters this past Saturday. While speaking to voters, Trump said Democrats wanted to remove windows from buildings and get rid of cows.
“They just come up, they want to do things like no more cows and no windows in buildings. They have some wonderful plans for this country, honestly they’re crazy,” he stated.
In North Carolina, he added that Harris would “outlaw red meat.”
Setting aside a Civics 101 lesson about why this would all be impossible for a president to do, this is just profoundly, well, weird. It is also simply dishonest. These are claims from the Land of Fabulism and are not the kinds of things serious people who want massive power ought to be saying.
It should be disturbing to hear. It should cause people to question voting for him.
The options as to what is going on here are limited, and none of them are good.
- He is simply a liar and knows full well all of this ridiculous bunk (but he hopes he is reaching people who want to believe it).
- He believes what he is saying, suggesting either mental impairment, stupidity, or significant disconnection from reality (all of which are not multiply exclusive categories, I will allow).
I realize that this is just a sampling of a larger canvas (e.g., windmills, Hannibal Lecter, sharks and electric boats to name a few of his recent greatest hits).
I saw a clip of Bob Woodward talking to Steven Colbert about his new book last night. The best quote Woodward had about Trump, with whom he had many conversations, was, “He has this idea that he knows things that he doesn’t know.”
But I’m of the opinion that the cows thing is just a hyped up version of “extreme lefty” who is a vegetarian, and aggressive about it. And as president will force everyone to stop eating beef.
So if you want to eat beef, vote for Trump. He knows it’s hyped up. It’s also something audiences haven’t heard before. New material! He’s coming at this like a standup comedian, not a candidate.
I have a cousin who has a friend who says that they saw a herd of cows killed by windmills that had been installed by illegal Haitian mmigrants.
Just asking questions. Why isn’t the press investigating?
I’m seeing reports on the Internet that there’s a worldwide beef shortage caused by the radical left colluding with killer illegal immigrants to install cow killing windmill farms.
Nobody tell him how the Far Left academics at ag schools put windows in cows.
Breitbart News: “The Internet is a buzz with stories of cow killing windmill farms being deployed as a lefty plot to drive God fearing ranchers and other rural patriots out of business and push them into liberal cities. These cities are where children will be forced into mandatory sex conversion operations in elementary school nurses’ offices.
Why isn’t the FBI investigating to stop this! What are Biden and Harris hiding?”
@ptfe:
I’ve had my arm inside of a cow once or twice in my life. Fortunately it was this way (through a cannula) and not the other ways.
ETA:
We had one heck of an agriculture teacher in my high school, a truly dedicated public servant, who used his perch at a tiny rural high school to subject his students to the wonders of the world. Every semester in his class was chock full of hands-on, real-world applications of cutting edge technology, all through an agricultural lens of course. In addition to having hands inside cows, his students could be found in deep reinforced pits seeing how how soil health looked and what it did to plants roots, and contra how different plants root systems could protect and improve soil. My most vivid memory of his class, however, was the eighth grade class trip to our state’s ag university where we got to use essentially a high tech gun to shoot dna pellets into corn stalks. How else to insert genes?
@Definitely not Argon: Kamala is promising to erect a wall against the cows and make Arby’s pay for it
Trump’s been saying odd things since he descended that golden escalator in 2015.
3. Dr. Frankfurt was right, it’s bullshit. Truth has nothing at all to do with it. “Believes” and “Trump” do not belong in the same sentence. Everything Trump says is either said to further his ends or, increasingly, random noise filling gaps. Trying to fit the cows and windows stuff into some rational template is both charitable and a waste of time.
I can’t find the full quote, but The Apprentice, has Roy Cohn telling a young Donald Trump
That is one thing Donald Trump does believe.
I’m pretty sure than when Trump says that Harris will get rid of cows, he means that Harris will get rid of white people, or white people in power at least.
Most things he says are connected to white supremacy, so why assume this one isn’t?
@Jay L Gischer: it’s based on the particularly Lefty (but not uniquely) Green discourse around climate change and cows as contributors. Which is not entirely divorced from actual policy pushes from Lefty green side as like Grunen or see Dutch backlash.
Not that there’s a basis re Harris but the echoes is from there
@Jay L Gischer:
Socrates would say all El Felon doesn’t know is he knows nothing.
@Gustopher: or rather you can be sure that seeing everything via one ideological lens of yours will lead to wildly distorted guesses
No way to divine meaning from the incoherent, depraved ramblings of a very unhealthy elderly man.
The only thing this “means” is that Trump’s mental deterioration is accelerating. He’s too unstable and unfit to be president. The dictator-wannabe would make a decent Nero, tho.
@Lounsbury: Tone deaf much?
@Lounsbury: White supremacy has been a consistent through line in the politics of the American Right since before the country was founded. The American Left as well, but usually a more patronizing than punishing version.
A good rule of thumb is: when in doubt, look for racism or antisemitism. Everything from the border, to policing, to banking, to EPA regulations.
I don’t pretend to know about the history of white supremacy in Lounsburyland, although I have heard terrible things about the treatment of Umpa Lumpas there.
@gVOR10:
I don’t believe the “noise” is random. It’s the “flood the zone with BS” method and it’s very effective. Notice how we’re not commenting about Trump’s call for a military response to “an enemy within.” Or how we’re not talking about Elon Musk out there trying to buy himself an autocracy where he’ll have a role.
Yes, Trump is a clown. But, he’s a clown with a flame thrower and we can’t let mockery or sanewashing cloudy the fact that he’s dangerous.
FBI revised crime stats that proved Trump to be lying.
@Paul L.: Can anyone even interpret wtf this means, let alone how it pertains to this article?
@ptfe:
First it doesn’t pertain to the article.
Second I can and will probably break it down tomorrow. Paul is correct that as they always do, and like most government agencies, the FBI does publish revisions to its data sets over time.
There is one particularly wonky year of recent data (2021) due to moving to a different system of reporting. This was an already known thing. And while some numbers were revised up significantly, the overall trend continues to be down. Further, that trend is present across all of the major crime measurement tools.
More thourough discussion coming tomorrow.
@Gustopher: When every subject is a nail then every analyses is a hammer.
When you fall into such logic, it’s your weak thinking. Turning cows into white supremacy when there are quite recent clear anti left angles around Trump’s negative obsession on climate and amongst the Denislist Right, exaggerated claims on banning cows based on actual real Lefty Green propos (themselves rather dumb overreach but not madness as ditorted)
But you do fairly well Illustrate how a conceptual monomania to lens every subject via an own-side hobby horse subject rather leads to ridiculous statements
And equally how identarian monomania is blundering you lot into tone deaf one note discourse
@DK: now this is the right demarche. Incoherent ramblings of an old dodderer
Madame Harris making comment about The Donald evidently needing some rest, and is confused…. things like that in past have sent him into public frothing.
More clear unhingedeness from a general view
@ptfe:
Stealth Edit: FBI Quietly Revises Violent Crime Stats
The PHDs at OTB in the past have condemned Some Odd Claims by Trump scaremongering crime in the US.
Russian disinformation stooge FBI Revises Violent Crime Stats Up | ‘Fact-Checkers’ Most Affected
@Lounsbury:
Agreed.
That said, doesn’t predictably seeing every liberal viewpoint expressed here at OTB with some passion as Uni-Left echo chamber clap trap illustrate how a conceptual monomania to lens every subject via your own hobby horse is it’s own one note discourse?
@Paul L.:
Breaking News: Trump continues to lie about election fraud.
Talking about cows. I have an unfinished story where somebody has an explanation for the Great Chicago Fire. It involves those alien boxes* that can change anything or anyone, a man wanted for murder and the authorities close on his tail (pardon the pun) and his sister-in-law chooses to disguise him.
It is just a theory from a person nicknamed RAT. RAT thinks the cow is still alive over 100 years later.
*- They are demonstration models that stop working after 3 days unless the company that manufactures them is paid. Of course how does anyone on Earth do that? So If you turned a cat into a dog at the end of the 3 days that cat is now permanently a dog. The same goes for a man turned into a dairy cow.
Now what is crazier. My muse or Donald Trump?
@Scott F.: I keep reminding myself that he mostly makes comments for his own entertainment and probably doesn’t care about what others are saying. Your comment is insightful but probably wasted if directed at anyone other than lurkers. (And yes, I’m trolling him just a touch here, albeit indirectly.)
@Bill Jempty: Still Donald Trump. Your muse knows you write fiction. I’m not sure Trump is just BSing all the time. Reality HAS become blurred as things relate to him.
@Paul L.: I think people have chided you in the past for your inability to cite sources on first attempt, and for injecting oddball crap into the middle of a thread. This is a double-whammy: the only people even aware of this are those already so deeply invested in a huckster wannabe dictator that they’re willing to shill for him in any forum.
I assume you can figure out for yourself that a revision in 2022 does not affect later years’ absolute numbers. And you can also figure out for yourself that the crime rate dropped from 2020 through 2023 overall and appears to be down this year very slightly as well. So Trump’s claims about “explosions in crime” are, as indicated, still lies.
We could argue about what constitutes an “explosion”, but I don’t think anyone would declare a change of e.g. 5% in a single year and a subsequent reversion an “explosion”. So briefly: 2023 was still better than 2020 and might be the lowest ever recorded (pending any revisions), and the numbers have been statistically approximately level since around 2011, with a very slight downward trend long-term.
Trump continues to lie about some the “explosion in crime”, and you’re a useful tool for making it look like he’s not stoking fear about a non-phenomenon because…you think the FBI is a “Russian disinformation stooge”?
For bonus points: if the FBI can’t be trusted with these numbers, why does it matter how they revise them? It’s just disinformation anyway! And if it’s of consequence, why would they revise them up? And why would they revise them 2 weeks before the election instead of releasing the data, say, in a month?
Real Calvinball going on here: the FBI is hiding things, but they’re so bad at hiding things that they had to release the truth right before the election but it was probably just the partial truth and we’ll find out the Real Truth later because something something Trump Was Right All Along! (even though he’s still dead wrong)
@Just nutha ignint cracker: Oh, that guy. Banalities and trivialities wrapped up in pompous bile. For my peace of mind, I immediately skip over anything he posts or that shows as a reply to him. But this time, Cracker, I thought the post above was you replying to Scott and since you both usually have interesting things to say I made the mistake of looking at it, and am now expressing my annoyance with petty sniping, proving that on some days I don’t have anything more worthwhile to offer than he does.
@Scott F.:
Yes, in this case, Lounsbury’s hobby horse caused Gustopher’s trademark tongue-in-cheek snark to fly right over his head.
@Lounsbury:
That statement was obviously not mean’t to be taken seriously, dearest.
Probably a bit too late, but I would’ve loved to see “Save the cows!” bumper stickers.
@Paul L.: please post off topic matters to the open forum.
The revised FBI numbers pushed some crimes into 2022 so that crimes in 2021 were much lower than thought and crimes in 2022 were higher but total stayed about the same. That’s for total crime. Violent crime peaks in 2020 when Trump was POTUS and is down since then.
Steve
@MarkedMan: Thank you for saying that I often say interesting things. Very kind. My goal for trolling is that people will become so satisfied with my products that they won’t want any other brands.
Well, Gustopher does high grade trolling, too, so maybe 2 brands.
@DK:
Several times this thread. Boom!
I never saw a Purple Cow,
I never hope to see one,
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I’d rather see than be one!