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Steven L. Taylor
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Tuesday, February 18, 2020
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About Steven L. Taylor
Steven L. Taylor is a retired Professor of Political Science and former College of Arts and Sciences Dean. His main areas of expertise include parties, elections, and the institutional design of democracies. His most recent book is the co-authored
A Different Democracy: American Government in a 31-Country Perspective. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Texas and his BA from the University of California, Irvine. He has been blogging since 2003 (originally at the now defunct Poliblog).
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A long read but well worth the trip:
These are the people Republicans fear and hate.
[I’m pulling this over from yesterday’s thread. It’s in reference to a right wing theory that only Chinese can get COVID19, and triggered by a passing comment that 2% of Africans are naturally immune to HIV. ]
A quick google of reliable sources like the NIH shows that there is a certain percentage of all populations that, when exposed to HIV, never develop symptoms. I’m not sure what the current research shows because it seems that while in some of the earlier studies this natural immunity was deemed as high as 10% many of those subjects eventually developed symptoms, sometimes a decade or more later.
Further, Africa and Africans encompass way too many people with extraordinarily genetic diversity to make generalizations. Africa is comprised of 40+ countries on a landmass that is larger than China, the US, Western Europe, and Brazil, combined, with plenty of space left over. It has pockets of people who existed for millennia in some of the wettest ecosystems in the world as well as some of the driest. There were pockets who developed as ocean fishing communities, and plains hunters, as seasonal flood irrigated farmers, as bush hunter gatherers. There are pockets that to this day are so geographically isolated they have children that have never seen anyone from outside the community and they have cities that have had sea going trading empires for thousands of years. (Fun fact: a lot of those exotic kingdoms mentioned in the Bible were in Africa.) So talking about Africans being genetically immune is like saying some combination of Asians, Europeans and South Americans are genetically immune.
Finally, while it is possible that certain isolated populations located in particular regions of Africa could be more or less immune to something like HIV, we are talking about a corona virus here. Probably every adult you know has had dozens of corona virus infections because many of them can be transmitted by simply sharing air. The head cold you had last month could have been a corona virus. They are both extremely common and rarely fatal, making it hard to imagine that a group as large and genetically diverse as “the Chinese” collectively have more or less genetic susceptibility to one particular instance.
We are in Djibouti also:
A moment of reflection please:
The 2nd winningest golfer in LPGA history has passed away.
Hall of Famer, trail blazer Mickey Wright dies of heart attack
Before there was a Tiger Slam, there was a Wright Slam. She won consecutive major championships, 2 in 1963 and 2 in 1964.
RIP Mickey Wright
Listened to a podcast on the way to work.
https://podcast.thebulwark.com/mckay-coppins-on-the-disinformation-wars
Then read the article:
The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President
This may have been discussed in an earlier forum but it was enlightening and frightening in this new world of social media, propaganda, data aggregation, and disinformation.
A quick quote from McCay Coppins, the author, upon diving into Facebook hell:
From the NYT:
It’s a good story with an ending that is yet to be written. For some reason or other I don’t have much hope for a happy ending.
@Scott: WASF.
@OzarkHillbilly: That is my reaction also. I sent the article to my under 30 children as a warning though I tend to worry more about my wife. She believes in everybody’s goodness and good will and is far more trusting.
How Millennials Could Make the Fed’s Job Harder
I find it fascinating that someone believes that on savings of $1.7M, they can retire in their early 40’s.
I can’t blame millennials for wanting to retire early. My early financial planning would have allowed me to retire at 60, but a couple of problems cropped up, the early oughts tech bubble breaking and the great recession, which you may have heard of.
@Scott: Facebook is a Skinner Box, and they are training millions to run through that maze in just the right way.
Federal Judges Association To Hold Emergency Meeting Amid Roger Stone Debacle
@Sleeping Dog:
A meager 5% return would net you $85,000 a year without ever touching the principal. Anything above 5% would add to the principle, and thus increase your income.
Not a retirement in the lap of luxury…but certainly comfortable.
US median income is currently about $63K.
For those of us who have been longing for some conservative intellectuals to offer a positive vision instead of just hating progressives and reflexively trusting markets, we have this:
Conservative intellectuals launch a new group to challenge free-market ‘fundamentalism’ on the right
What a concept… Do you suppose they will still want to improve quality of life and strengthen families when research shows conclusively that left-of-center policies are better at that?
@OzarkHillbilly:
Interested to see what comes of this…I’m expecting a statement equal to a Susan Collins level of concern…
@Daryl and his brother Darryl: I suspect this rates no more than a “Furrowed Brow” on the Susan Collins Fret Level Advisory System.
@DrDaveT: KILL THE HERETICS! KILL THE HERETICS!
@Daryl and his brother Darryl:
Living on a constant $85,000 per year is OK now. After 30 years of inflation, even at a modest 2%/year, far less so.
@MarkedMan:
IIRC, this immunity was linked to the same gene that conveys bubonic plague immunity. I don’t remember where I read that, and I don’t have time to dig right now. I’ll try to come back to it this evening, if nobody else can confirm/refute in the meantime.
@Daryl and his brother Darryl: The real questions I have for those who are interested in retiring early at that level are:
What are they doing about health insurance? $1.7 mill isn’t enough to self-insure (heck one bad car accident or cancer diagnosis could eat through most of that amount in a few months), and they don’t qualify for Medicare yet. That leaves purchasing an individual policy, which–particularly if they have a family–can eat up several thousand a month.
How are they planning on investing? A 5% return would assume some portion would remain in stocks, which could result in a loss of principal–this might mean for some leaner years.
Charles Portis, author of True Grit, has died.
@DrDaveT:
Well, that would be nice.
It will take many years to unwind the effects of the conflation–unfettered market with free market–at the heart of current GOP dogma.
The downvote may be suggestive of that contention.
@Scott:
This is nothing new. The principles of propaganda are for the most part unchanged from years past.
The techniques are largely similar, they have just been sharpene by the quantity and resolution of data available.
@Kurtz:
That would make it an unusually thoughtful downvote.
Personally, I don’t expect any more to come of this than came of the “Never Trump” movement. There is no market (ahem) for conservative thought that is neither tribalist nor plutocratic. Nobody is going to care what principled non-deplorable conservatives think is the best way to address wealth inequality, health care, unequal justice, immigration, religious rights, or the deficit, presumably using only traditional conservative policy alternatives.
@Kurtz:
Indeed.
The article ended quoting Hannah Arendt from “The Origins of Totalitarianism”:
@DrDaveT:
No, the reflexive nature of the downvote is the point of my post. The point of propaganda is specifically to create an unthinking response.
That is the nature of its influence–the creation of conditions that foster those responses rather than responses reluctant from critical analysis.
@DrDaveT: Following up on this again, after reading more of the linked article:
Dear God. They are trying to Make Conservatism Great Again. (Facepalm.)
I will be fascinated to hear, for example, how exactly they plan to reconcile a general desire for increased widespread prosperity with an abhorrence of declining fertility rates. I’m afraid I can guess the answer… This sounds like a movement to make conservatism be about imposed social conformity again.
Donald Trump, famous corruption fighter, pardons former NFL Team Owner who pleaded guilty to being involved in a bribery scheme.
Eddie DeBartolo paid a $400,000 bribe to the LA Governor for a riverboat gambling licence.
@Jen:
What are any of us?
Dear God, in the midst of all the other electoral problems we’re having, like active voter suppression efforts, can we do away with the luxury of these goofy caucuses? We need to focus our attention, energy, and resources on serious problems like voter suppression, instead of self-inflicted wounds like poorly-considered caucus rules and sloppy Wifi security.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/16/nevada-avoid-iowa-caucus-mess-115437
Voting booth. Verifiable paper ballot or receipt. Result tally.
@DrDaveT:
I wonder whether you could get a clear answer if you were to ask Cass what he means by “market fundamentalism. “
@Daryl and his brother Darryl: And I’m seeing that he’s going to commute the sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who just happens to have ties to Trump. But sure, Trump is anti-corruption.
@reid:
I wonder if Blago will re-dye his hair once they cut him loose from the slammer?
Is Trump worse than we think? In my working life before I retired I was a financial analyst. What I spent most of time on was “what if analysis” for corporate processes. I worked for Nielsen and much of my analysis was how to optimize the costs of producing TV and radio ratings. A very basic “what if” might take the form of “we currently pay every household that contains an 18-24 year old $5 per person for keeping a radio diary for a week, what would happen to total costs if we give them $10 per person”. An immediate reaction is that total costs go up because the diaries cost more. But that may not be true. We sent out diaries to households that agree by phone or mail to keep them, but a relatively small percentage actually followed through and returned them. Postage and materials cost a lot. If a higher percentage of those who agree to keep a diary and return it ACTUALLY do what they agreed to because of the increase from $5 to $10, total costs may decrease.
As a financial analyst I found being cynical to be a useful trait. I learned over time that the ceiling is one hell of a lot higher than floor. If we had a start-up venture and we were given assumptions about certain metrics, there were limitations on how good they could be. There was always far more room on the downside than the upside. A new process may cost $500k if the metrics turn out as planned. If they are better it might cost only $400k, but no way would it be $150k. But if the metrics were much worse than anyone thought, it might be $2 million.
How does this relate to Trump? We have evidence that Trump is a corrupt, racist, amoral pig. This is an objective view of Trump, not subjective, based on things that are factual. Now it is in the realm of possibility that some of what we don’t know about Trump isn’t really all that bad, but if that were the case he would still be horrible. My hypothesis is that what we don’t know about Trump and his people is much worse than we think or even can really believe possible. If you think he is twice as bad as what we know, it might be safer to assume he is ten times as bad. His ceiling for badness is almost unimaginable. I don’t know about others, but if you had told me ten years ago we would have a POTUS who does one tenth of what he has done I would have said that was crazy, it couldn’t happen. And it would be laughable to think a branch of the government would be complicit.
I was trying to imagine all that the shit he and he and his people have done that we don’t know about. I’m guessing large amounts of theft, because Trump is a thief at heart. I have assumed for a while that he has betrayed allies numerous times, and that if he were to be re-elected most of our alliances will be severely weakened or even dissolved.
Bottom line is that if something is bad but you don’t know the whole story, it is probably much worse than you think.
@reid:
Yes…Blago who tried to sell Obama’s vacated Senate seat.
Blago who was impeached 114-1 in the IL House and convicted 59-0 in thee IL Senate.
You can see why an anti-corruption crusader would find it important to commute his sentence.
Is there anyone who takes Trump’s Biden scheme seriously any more?
Ugh, Rod Blagojevich. That bottom-dweller. I bet the Trump-types trot this out as him being “bipartisan,” since Blago was a Dem.
He didn’t just try and sell Obama’s seat, he also tried to force a CEO to contribute to his campaign by withholding state funds…from a children’s hospital.
He is practically a textbook example of corruption.
@senyordave: Brilliant. Thank you for posting.
@Daryl and his brother Darryl: @reid:
And now Bernie Kerik.
I’m so glad Trump is dedicated to eliminating corruption no matter where.
@Scott:
@Jen:
Trump is also now claiming to be the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the Country.
Long live the King.
@Jen:
Cult45 is turning itself inside out to justify this one.
@DrDaveT: I think it’s just the same smoke and mirrors stuff that’s conservatives have been peddling since opportunity zones. Conservatives will never genuinely seek to improve opportunity for others. They may seek additional routes to capitalize on movements to their own benefit, though. But it’s still a zero-sum game to them. More opportunity for you = less opportunity for them.
And there’s certainly no money to be made in less opportunity for themselves.
@OzarkHillbilly: Well, that would certainly increase opportunities for the remainder. Worth considering…
Trump on commuting sentence for Blagojevich:
Aaannd…Trump has also pardoned Michael Milken.
@CSK: FFS
@Daryl and his brother Darryl:
These pardons are a combination of (1) a middle finger to everyone who isn’t a sycophant or cultist, (2) a display of power to everyone, (3) a signal to his subordinates that he has their backs, and (4) complete indifference to his base. Who among them gave a thought to Milken, Kerik, or Blagojevich? Who among them now feels solidarity with these white collar criminals? Who among them will get a presidential pardon, if they fall into the jaws of the criminal justice system?
Serious question. Does anyone here have any doubt that Trump is selling pardons?
Trump! Not just a 16th Century King! Now, also a 14th Century Pope! All for one low low price!
@Daryl and his brother Darryl:
@Jen:
@Moosebreath:
Daryl, your math in a vacuum works, but has Jen and Moose point out there other factors. And remember someone who today is in their early 40’s is quite likely looking at living another 50 years. Healthcare costs are increasing at about 2% above inflation, which will drive insurance cost. If you choose to live in a rural, low cost area, healthcare may even be more expensive. Do they have children, do those kids plan on college and make the reasonable expectation that mom and dad will provide some assistance. After all their not poor. Retirement at that age will likely relegate you to the lowest benefit under social security.
Millennials have only lived through a low inflation economy, when I was in my 20’s inflation was pushing 12% a number that we could see again given the size of the deficits we’re running.
@MarkedMan:
But wait! There’s more! Be one of the first 50 callers, and we will include a year’s supply of Trump Steaks and the world’s largest, most beautiful squeezable ketchup bottle!
As an extra thank you, we will also include a meat thermometer to ensure that your steaks are well done. You deserve the best! The only red in your steak should be processed tomato pulp!
You just pay shipping & handling.
@Sleeping Dog:
Sure. On the other hand I am currently netting way more than 5% on my investments.
So anything can, and will, happen.
But just to prove my theory…if y’all pony up $1.7M, I’ll retire tomorrow.
@Kingdaddy:
I’m just waiting for all the video of Republican pundits, denigrating Blago, to surface.
Right now they all seem to be turning themselves into pretzels to support Trump on this travesty.
@Sleeping Dog:
I’ll spare you the 100+% inflation of the mid-80s, and simply illustrate it like this:
In 1976, the US Dollar sold in Mexico for 12.50 Pesos. today it’s at around 19,000.
If you check, it will say 19.67 or so. But that’s only because in the 90s three zeroes were dropped from the currency, to make amounts more manageable (before then, everyone made millions every month). When that happened, in 1993, the dollar was at around 3,500 pesos.
One thing, though, when inflation was sky-high, wages were indexed to the minimum wage, which was indexed to inflation. It was still bad, but it ameliorated the loss of purchasing power.
Perspective is everything. I know that a 7% inflation rate is high, but I can’t feel it.
Let’s turn back the clock:
Disclaimer: Bost represents the United States House district that I live in.
I have never voted for him.
I don’t know yet what his office is saying today.
Today February 18, 2020
Trump appears to have decided to commute Blagojevich’s sentence because he saw Rod’s wife Patti pleading her husband’s case on Fox.
@senyordave: Which just goes to the old adage that things can always get worse.
@Kathy: I loved crossing the border and becoming an instant billionaire back then.
@OzarkHillbilly:
One thing I recall from that era, though I forget the year, was a sale at a department store in Laredo offering a discount, plus a much more favorable exchange rate if you paid in pesos. this was aimed at Mexican consumers, who obviously hadn’t been crossing the border as much as they once did to go shopping.
I wonder now if the rate they offered was favorable enough, that an American consumer would have done well to exchange their dollars for pesos before shopping at that store.
Anybody know anything about Jeffery Rosen, Deputy AG? Not finding much with a quick search. Supposedly Barr is making resignation noises.
@gVOR08: Sorry, Jeffrey.
@gVOR08:
And those resignation noises are getting louder, according to Fox news. Cult45 over at Lucianne.com is raving that Fox is reporting FAKE NEWS.
@CSK: Safe bet is that it is fake news, made up by Barr.
He’s under some public scrutiny, and wants to be viewed as something other than a horrible toady.
I’d love to be wrong, but I doubt he’s going anywhere.
@Gustopher:
Oh, probably, but it’s interesting that Barr has repeated a threat he first made last Thursday.
@CSK:
@Gustopher:
I think he might be trying to manipulate Trump. Trump has to know that he won’t find as talented a sycophant if Barr leaves. Barr’s trying to get Trump to rein in his behavior. Barr has likely finally realized that his reputation is in tatters, and he’s doing the bare minimum to try and resuscitate it.
Of course, it won’t work. Trump will simply get annoyed and do whatever he wants to do. I’m wondering if Barr values his long-term rep. enough to actually follow through.
They’ve been turning themselves into pretzels from the very first moment they started supporting Trump…