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“I’d like Egypt to take people,” Trump said. “You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know, it’s over.’”

The order suspended a resettlement program that brings thousands of legal refugees to the country each year. Among the many now in limbo are Afghans who assisted the American war effort and are seeking a new start and a sense of security in the United States.

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55 responses to “Trumpy Sunday Tabs”

  1. Moosebreath Avatar
    Moosebreath

    “Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to accept more Palestinian refugees”

    Proving that irony is not dead.

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  2. Not the IT Dept. Avatar
    Not the IT Dept.

    Cleansing Gaza of Palestinians? Does that have anything to do with Jared Kushner’s ideas of developing the waterfront there? Quotes from the article:

    “I am not sure there is much left of Gaza at this point. If you think about even the construct, Gaza was not really a historical precedent [sic]. It was the result of a war. You had tribes in different places and then Gaza became a thing. Egypt used to run it and then over time different governments came in.”

    Responding to a question about whether the Palestinians should have their own state, Kushner described the proposal as “a super bad idea” that “would essentially be rewarding an act of terror”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

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  3. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    @Moosebreath: There is a grotesque symmetry to the first and last links.

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  4. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    About that “meritocracy” rationalization used as cover for MAGA bigotry, just a few names to rip the thin facade off that fiction:

    Pete Hegseth, Kristi Noem, RFK Jr Lee Zeldin, Linda McMahon, Mehmet Oz, Billy Long, Tulsi Gabbert, Herschel Walker, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Charles Kushner, J.D. Vance (feel free to add to this list of merit-free appointees)

    The attack on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, in favor of prioritizing “merit,” is a bald face lie made more obscene by MAGA’s own preference for nepotism and cronyism over any actual experience. Sychophancy is their meritorious commendation.

    (working link to the story below)

    Trump’s anti-DEI order yanks air force videos of Tuskegee Airmen and female pilots

    But they have become a rallying cry for conservatives who argue that race- and gender-focused initiatives are inherently discriminatory and fail to prioritize merit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/25/air-force-videos-tuskegee-airmen-female-pilots

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  5. MarkedMan Avatar
    MarkedMan

    The 19th century of it all continues to amaze

    I think you have the wrong analogy. Think September 30, 1938.

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  6. Tony W Avatar
    Tony W

    Mark Cuban makes a compelling argument that the Democrats should cooperate with the Florida Republican rep and support the requested exceptions to the policy.

    The Republicans are very unlikely to get on board, and the people will see who is there to help and who is there to make things worse.

    This is the kind of Democratic leadership that will change hearts and minds, and possibly win the mid-terms for the Ds.

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  7. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @Moosebreath:
    Somewhere it was reported Trump suggested that “nice housing” could be provide to the displaced Gazans. So says the man who has never seen the some of the Palestinian refugee camps that go back decades.

    Extremist thought will not be quelled by ejecting Gazans from their homeland. In fact, further dispossesion of the Palestinian people will likely bring greater violence upon all parties involved.

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  8. Stormy Dragon Avatar
    Stormy Dragon

    @Tony W:

    Remember how the Biden administration decided to focus Inflation Reduction Act on Republican areas and got no credit whatsoever? The people who vote Republican won’t see Democrats there to help, because the media they consume will never mention it.

    This is just another suckers’ deal to get Democrats to help Republicans avoid the consequences of their own policies by making exceptions for red areas while continuing to target blue areas.

    Democrats should instead focus on helping areas that already vote for them. If Florida voters want Democratic help, they can vote for Democrats.

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  9. Daryl Avatar
    Daryl

    “You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say, ‘You know, it’s over.’”

    Same approach he took with trans people.

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  10. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    Republican Representative wants a Biden era program protecting immigrants she likes who work for her and some friends to be allowed to continue.

    FTFY (I seriously doubt that she even cares about any of them, let alone actually liking them.)

    ETA: “And yes, I knew he was lying at the time.” As did we all here. (Including the MAGAs among us and most of the voters–particularly voters who were aware of Project 2025.)

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  11. Barry Avatar
    Barry

    @Rob1: “Somewhere it was reported Trump suggested that “nice housing” could be provide to the displaced Gazans. ”

    Peaceful housing.
    Lushly growing orchards.
    The sound of tourists echoing all over.

    Just don’t ask what is fertilizing those trees.

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  12. Kylopod Avatar
    Kylopod

    We all owe a debt of gratitude to the “Genocide Joe” crowd. They sure proved they know how to maximize protection for the people they claim to speak for.

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  13. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    @Tony W: I disagree. As the election winner, I agree that he is entitled to, at least try to, run the country as he proposed he would and that the majority that voted against the alternative are entitled to the what they supported, whether by direct or indirect agency. Democrats can help out Mr. Cuban if they choose to. I wouldn’t though. Don’t think it serves my or the country’s larger interests–omelets, (prohibitively expensive) eggs, yada, yada, yada.

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  14. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    @Rob1: To expand on your thought: “Could” in “could be provided” signals only potential. It carries the same mood as future tense in Korean–which is expressed with a conditional mood verb.

    “The teacher will receive 2 weeks of vacation” equals “the school hopes to be able to offer…” and “nice housing could be provided” equals “it would be okay by me if someone builds structures instead of letting them shelter on an ad hoc basis, I don’t care either way.”

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  15. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    This is the kind of Democratic leadership that will change hearts and minds, and possibly win the mid-terms for the Ds.

    Remember how the Biden administration decided to focus Inflation Reduction Act on Republican areas and got no credit whatsoever? The people who vote Republican won’t see Democrats there to help, because the media they consume will never mention it.

    Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. But you may be right about the mid-term elections, so dash into the phone booth and go rescue the Republicans as Superdem again. You may even avert the economic catastrophe this administration could produce. And wouldn’t that be a lucky break?

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  16. Kingdaddy Avatar
    Kingdaddy

    Aside from the monstrousness of abetting ethnic cleansing, the idea that the Egyptian and Jordanian governments would take in Palestinian refugees is far-fetched. Militant Palestinians already tried to overthrow the Jordanian government once. And the Egyptian government has been the target of militant Islamists for decades, including the assassination of Sadat. With the Gazans comes Hamas, so…

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  17. MarkedMan Avatar
    MarkedMan

    @Tony W: 100% agree with just nutha here. Perhaps Dems should help Florida because it is the right thing to do, but you’re kidding yourself if Republican voters would ever give them credit for it. Since Reagan, Democrats have championed the average Joe be it Farmer, steelworker, parent, or taxi driver, and Republicans have done nothing but shit all over them. Has that meant a damn thing to the average Republican voter? How many articles have we seen in the past week about trumpers now scared that Republican policies might hurt them and theirs? And if they do? It will be all about it was really because of those immigrant trans kids.

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  18. MarkedMan Avatar
    MarkedMan

    @Kingdaddy: We should have washed our hands of it years ago, and treated Israel as just another shitty Mid East country with no regard for human rights, and Gaza and the West Bank as poor schmoes with violent terrorist groups totally in control. There’s no shortage of similar situations there. What is foolish is continuously declaring our undying loyalty to an apartheid state that meddles in our domestic politics.

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  19. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    @Kingdaddy: You don’t think anyone in the Trump administration can connect the dots on who to ask? I’m sure Trump isn’t that clever, but finding “no one (who) will take them” makes a simple expulsion easier. Win-win, Bibi and Jared can plan the resort.

  20. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    @Tony W: It seems really unlikely to me that Speaker Johnson and the GOP House leadership would allow such a move to happen. I think Cuban doesn’t understand how the House works. And then there’s the Senate.

    Indeed, I simply do not see the House Reps allowing a Dem-favored relaxation of Trump’s immigration goals. I also do not see Rep Salazar being willing to ally herself with the Dems against her party.

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  21. Sleeping Dog Avatar
    Sleeping Dog

    Salazar isn’t the only R critter that has suggested that there be exceptions, though she maybe the latest and loudest. Several farm state R’s have whispered similar sentiments, given their farmer constituents are beginning to panic.

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  22. Just nutha ignint cracker Avatar
    Just nutha ignint cracker

    @Sleeping Dog: I think Republican Representatives need to stop listening to their panicked constituents and listen more to the guys who bought the government. What’s Cargill’s, position? How do big Ag, Iowa Beef Processors, Swift, Tyson Foods. and so on feel about immigration sweeps? Take your clue from the guys with skin in the game, Congress, not “Oh, give me 40 acres and I’ll turn this rig around” guy*.

    *Who’s a chump if he thinks 40 acres is a livelihood nowadays anyway.

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  23. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    No. No cooperation with Republicans. They own this. This may not be what they thought they were voting for, but they own this. If any Republican representative wants to come out and publicly say that this isn’t what people voted for, and I’m no longer a Republican, that would be different. But otherwise, no.

    This is who they voted for, this is what they get. No sanewashing, no making things better without admitting, loudly, they seriously fucked up. If they want help, they need to loudly disavow Trump in such a way that they can’t go back.

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  24. al Ameda Avatar
    al Ameda

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    Indeed, I simply do not see the House Reps allowing a Dem-favored relaxation of Trump’s immigration goals. I also do not see Rep Salazar being willing to ally herself with the Dems against her party.

    I completely agree.

    At best, Democrats get the miniscule satisfaction of saying to themselves (basically no one else is listening) that they did the right thing, when in fact the (49.8%) public will not give them any credit whatsover for being a party to their agreement. Republicans own the moment and any consequences resulting therefrom. So let them have it. Besides, Lindsey Graham said he doesn’t want Democrats’ input on immigration-related issues. As with Trump, take him at his word.

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  25. Jim Brown 32 Avatar
    Jim Brown 32

    @Tony W: Bullphucky, and Mark knows it. What wins hearts and minds in in today’s America are multimedia campaigns that occurs over multiple platforms and are amplified through multiple influencers.

    In my opinion Democrats have no chance to pitch Florida Hispanics without a lengthy campaign that undermines Republican motives and credibility FROM THE RIGHT.

    This means exploiting the H1B and other rifts by co-opting the disillusioned Laura Loomers of the MAGA ecosphere to fling poo at Trump to, essentially, say,”It’s A TRAP”.

    Said another way, If you’re looking to make a move on a certain pretty young thing, who’s happily taken, you can waste your time shooting your shot directly, or you can work with her who hate her man to plant suggestions that the guy is a cheating pig.

    Working with Republicans to make policy work is working off the clock and should be avoided. They should focus of their story and its optics. And again, the story of Democrats enacting Policy X and America living happily ever does not make the best seller list. No one cares about that story outside of the college educated and cable news(sans Fox) watchers. It is a niche genre.

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  26. Jim Brown 32 Avatar
    Jim Brown 32

    @Stormy Dragon: Would make great Billboards in South Florida (not that Florida Dems are smart enough to do such a thing).

    ‘Grandma Deported? Vote Dem in 2026’

    I would also love to see stickers put in grocery stores ala the ones put on gas pumps. ‘Powered by $Trump’

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  27. al Ameda Avatar
    al Ameda

    @rondo1342:

    Okay, okay, I was wrong….Trump is indeed a Nazi…or not. Keep beclowning yourselves, you historically illiterate clowns.

    I see your point. It appears that the only things Republicans fear are transgender people, and the story of the Tuskegee Airmen.

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  28. Flat Earth Luddite Avatar
    Flat Earth Luddite

    @Just nutha ignint cracker:

    Well if Luddite’s growing cocoa leaves … 40 acres might just do it. And I’ve eaten horse, mule might not be much worse.

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  29. Flat Earth Luddite Avatar
    Flat Earth Luddite

    @Jim Brown 32:

    Hey, Luddite’s got $20 to chip in if you find a billboard owner who’ll let you put it up…

    $20 says the locals will burn it down if they do sell you space.

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  30. restless Avatar
    restless

    @al Ameda:

    It appears that the only things Republicans fear are transgender people, and the story of the Tuskegee Airmen.

    Yes, I agree. I do wonder, though, why he keeps linking the Babylon Bee – “ Your Trusted Source for Christian News Satire”

    I must be slow today.

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  31. Bobert Avatar
    Bobert

    Noticing that the time is missing from the line after commentator’s name.
    Or is it just me?

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  32. Connor Avatar
    Connor

    Weird comments, but entertaining.

  33. Gustopher Avatar
    Gustopher

    @Not the IT Dept.:

    Cleansing Gaza of Palestinians? Does that have anything to do with Jared Kushner’s ideas of developing the waterfront there?

    Budget in a million or so for each displaced refugee, and see how many jump at that deal. Many countries are more willing to accept the wealthy than just plain poor refugees.

    I want innovation in ethnic cleansing.

    Alternately, we have a spare Dakota, and Wyoming exists. Perhaps Palestinians might like one of those?

  34. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @Sleeping Dog: I hope they panic for the next four years. It’s only fair. I mean, he told them what he was gonna do. They voted for it, and I hope they get what they voted for good and hard. I am sad that so many innocent people’s lives are going to be ruined/upended, but….we tried.

    The stove is hot. Touch it, children.

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  35. Jim Brown 32 Avatar
    Jim Brown 32

    @rondo1342: You typed alot of words when 2 would do:

    Heil $Trump!

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  36. Mister Bluster Avatar
    Mister Bluster

    US Air Force resumes teaching video on first Black pilots after DEI review
    Reuters

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  37. Mister Bluster Avatar
    Mister Bluster

    …meaningless name-calling.
    rondo1342: Keep beclowning yourselves, you historically illiterate clowns.

  38. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @Gustopher: Oh, you sweet, sweet summer child. The Wyoming State Legislature is WAYYYYY too busy telling the feds to fuck off, legislating when and how a miscarried fetus should be transported to a hospital in a biohazard bag, testing water for abortion drugs (that we don’t currently have the test capability for), and a whole host of other dumb ass shit. Palestinians would freeze to death, because we currently don’t have enough housing for our own people outside of a Felony Flats mobile home with frozen water lines cuz it’s still -20.

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  39. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @rondo1342: Bye, Rando weirdo from the internet. Wasn’t nice to have known ya! Stay trippy! Fer fuck’s sakes, like we care about your opinion. SOOOOOO MANY EYEROLLS.

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  40. Thomm Avatar
    Thomm

    @rondo1342: you’re absolutely right…as far as we know Hitler never wanted to have sex with a family member.
    Or at least never said it publicly.

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  41. Thomm Avatar
    Thomm

    @rondo1342: still getting that sweet retirement and Tricare tho. Welfare queen.

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  42. Mister Bluster Avatar
    Mister Bluster

    Can anyone produce a post where either Professor Taylor (ret.) or Dr. Joyner have stated that Trump=Hitler?

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  43. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    @rondo1342:

    This will probably get me banned,

    You’re not wrong,

    Adios.

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  44. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    @Mister Bluster:

    Can anyone produce a post where either Professor Taylor (ret.) or Dr. Joyner have stated that Trump=Hitler?

    It would prove to be very difficult.

    The closest is probably here: Defining and Discussing Fascism, Part II.

    I will even provide most of the conclusion:

    Let’s cut to the summary.

    1. I am not saying that Trump is to be compared to 1945’s Hitler after the implementation of the Final Solution. Nor am I saying he is a genocider-in-waiting. But, of course, if one feels the need to clarify this point, it means the subject of discussion is a problem. No one felt it necessary to say, “Well, at least we don’t think Gerald Ford will commit genocide!”
    2. I am saying that he spouts (and has for years) rhetoric and a coherent (for him, anyway) point of view that very much fits Hitler’s in terms of demonizing a specific other and threatening substantial violence in the direction of that other. This, alone, should be disqualifying in American politics, but, alas, it is not.
    3. He has already demonstrated a willingness to abuse power, to unleash political violence, and to harm the vulnerable.

    Or, if you prefer the tl;dr version: I am ultimately quite comfortable saying that Trump is a fascist politician whose political rhetoric directly echoes and occasionally sounds almost like direct quotes from Mein Kampf. So, he’s only like Hitler in those ways.

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  45. Gavin Avatar
    Gavin

    @rondo1342:

    Being “in the private sector” doesn’t mean you’re done fleecing taxpayers — you could be “a consultant” yet still work for a government agency at 23x actual cost. Oh, and since you claimed you’re done fleecing taxpayers, I’m glad to hear you’ve voluntarily refused to take a pension simply because no private sector worker has had that in 60 years. And of course you’ve refused that socialist veterans healthcare, the VA, because all it does is outperform the private sector in every metric as well as offer more services than the private sector.
    Keep beclowning yourself.

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  46. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    Also this: A Reminder About Hitler Comparisons

    For the record, I personally have never said Trump=Hitler. What I did, in some detail, was show the disturbing (in my view) similarities between the rhetoric and politicking of the two men. I did, however, state that his approach to politics is clearly fascistic.

    Also:

    So, is he literally Hitler? No.

    Are his politics authoritarian, if not fascistic? Yes.

    Is he actively trying to tear down competent government and replace it with unqualified lackeys? Absolutely.

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  47. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    For posterity, here’s the full post that is about to be deep-sixed:

    I’ve said it before, I’ll keep saying it….Trump =/= Hitler. I’ve disagreed with the authors of this blog numerous times, but their insistence Trump is a Nazi is absolutely disgusting, and they should know better….but then, since they are on a taxpayer funded sinecure, they’ll parrot whatever their paymasters demand. Steven Taylor and James Joyner are loathsome, despicable pieces of shit for equating Trump with Hitler. Don’t like Trump’s policies? Fine. Don’t like the man? Fine. Call him on the same moral plane as Hitler?? FUCK YOU!!!! This will probably get me banned, but I don’t care. I don’t usually comment here, as 95% of the topics posted I don’t really care about….but this whole Trump = Hitler schtick has rubbed me the wrong way…and for the record, before Joyner plays the “appeal to authority” card by citing he’s a retired Army officer, I’m a retired USAF Lt Col. I just decided to not fleece the taxpayers anymore after I retired and have been in the private sector since 2013. For (likely) the last time: Trump =/= Hitler

    Oddly, neither James nor I do this to be abused. It is worse to be abused for something that I never said. But I also understand that some people don’t understand the difference between accusing someone of being an authoritarian, a fascist, a Nazi, and/or Hitler. These are realted, sometimes overlapping concepts, but they aren’t the same,

    I have written hundreds of words on these topics. I fully accept that those words may be insufficiently clear, and I certainly have no illusions that they are magically persuasive. But,to quote Rousseau from The Social Contract, “I am unable to make myself clear to those who refuse to be attentive.”

    At any rate, abuse is not acceptable.

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  48. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @rondo1342: I mean, he has the actual power to make you disappear from the comments. 😉

    It’s his living room, and you’re shitting in it.

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  49. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    Also:

    So, is he literally Hitler? No.

    Are his politics authoritarian, if not fascistic? Yes.

    Is he actively trying to tear down competent government and replace it with unqualified lackeys? Absolutely.

    ALSO:

    Is he supported and elevated by actual neo-Nazis?
    Absolutely!

    Of course, Trump is not an actual 1930-40’s Nazi —- wiki indicates there’s only about 3 of those known to be alive. But the dude is very fascist-adjacent. People like rondo1343 need to cut some slack for use of the analogy. And besides, from what we’ve seen, Trump has the capacity to grow into the role.

    The last of the Nazis:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_last_surviving_people_suspected_of_participation_in_Nazi_war_crimes

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  50. Gavin Avatar
    Gavin

    @rondo1342:

    Aww, are you triggered, baby boy? Do you need a safe space?

    Nobody cares about your feelings. Go cry – and when you’re done crying, you’ll still be wrong.

    Of all the possible hills you could have chosen to die on, you selected.. defense of that vacuous bag of pus? You know he doesn’t care about you, right?
    Fun fact: Egg prices nationwide have already risen 37% since the start of Trump’s term. Oopsie!

    Have a wonderful day, Nazi. Don’t go away mad, just go away.
    Trump will continue to be exactly equal to Hitler after you leave.

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  51. Steven L. Taylor Avatar
    Steven L. Taylor

    FYI: there will be a lag before the system adjusts to rondo’s new status.

    I was intrigued to note, on his way out the door him proving in a now deleted comment that he clearly doesn’t read before he freaks out.

    I would note that the first usage of the words “Nazi” and “Hitler” in this post/thread came from him. I only used it above to note past writings.

    All I can figure is that rondo did not like the reference to ethnic cleansing, which is the logical inference for what Trump said.

    I guess that hit too close to the bone and rondo rightly saw the unpleasant implications about the president he supports.

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  52. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @Steven L. Taylor: I always have this image in my head when someone gets the ban hammer…..a really, REALLY mad troll pounding away at his keyboard, only to be stymied every time he hits Post Comment. “Mah free speeeches! Where haz they gone?! Whaddaya mean I can’t be a dick?! I demand the right to be a dick!!”

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  53. Neil Hudelson Avatar
    Neil Hudelson

    Banning someone makes sense, but editing their post into an entirely different message seems a lot more fun.

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  54. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @Neil Hudelson: Hahahaha…..that thought never occurred to me! Imagine their rage at seeing it edited to Bible verses saying love thy neighbor. 😉

  55. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @Steven L. Taylor:

    All I can figure is that rondo did not like the reference to ethnic cleansing, which is the logical inference for what Trump said

    You might have missed the memo that “ethnic cleansing” has been added to the list of Rightwing trigger words —- it has been cleansed.

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