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An Alternative Explanation for Trump’s ‘Take Out Los Angeles’ Quip

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FactCheck.org’s Paul Cuno-Booth offers an interesting take on “The Context for Trump’s ‘Take Out’ Los Angeles, San Diego Remarks.”

President Donald Trump’s remarks about the possibility that Iran could “take out” Los Angeles and San Diego have sparked a firestorm of criticism, with Democrats claiming the president was either calling for a foreign adversary to attack the U.S. or portraying the destruction of two major cities as acceptable collateral damage. 

But given the full context — as well as Trump’s numerous past comments on this issue and the White House’s later clarification — that’s not our reading of the president’s comments. While his wording is confusing, a more plausible interpretation is that he meant the war would prevent Iran from posing a threat to U.S. cities, and higher gas prices are a small sacrifice to make. He’s made versions of those points before, using similar language.

Trump’s remarks came during an Oct. 5 rally in Nebraska. 

“Remember, with the war, it’s just artificial. It’s a little bit high,” he said, apparently referencing gas prices. “It’s a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. They could take out a city. Let them take — let it — let them take out Los Angeles. Let them take out San Diego.

“That’s — this is a very small price to pay, and it’s going to be over with very soon,” he continued. “It’s essentially almost over with.”

The speech quickly drew outraged responses from Democrats in California and nationally. 

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Trump’s remarks were admittedly confusing, in keeping with his characteristically roundabout style of speaking. His speeches at rallies frequently veer off on tangents before circling back to an earlier point. It doesn’t help that some in the crowd in Nebraska began cheering as he said, “Let them take out Los Angeles. Let them take out San Diego,” though Trump himself didn’t seem to react to or encourage the crowd’s response.

But taken in context, his remarks don’t appear to be “advocating” an attack on U.S. cities or suggesting their destruction would be an acceptable cost. 

Trump first referenced the war in Iran a few minutes into his Nebraska speech. “We’re saving the world from what could be one of the worst tragedies ever,” he said, adding that the war would end soon and, when it does, the price of oil “will come tumbling down.” 

After riffing on other topics, he eventually came back to the subject of the war, which is when he made his controversial comments about Los Angeles and San Diego. What immediately preceded those statements, however, suggests that Trump wasn’t calling for the destruction of those cities, but rather saying that protecting them is worth paying a bit more at the pump: “It’s a little bit high. It’s a small price to pay for keeping the world safe, keeping our country safe. They could take out a city.” 

He was likely making the same point about paying more for gasoline when, after referencing the California cities, he said, “This is a very small price to pay, and it’s going to be over with very soon.”

Trump has used similar language before to argue that higher gas prices are worth it if the war prevents Iran from posing a threat to the U.S. 

“The one thing already has happened is, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon,” he said in Iowa on Sept. 28. “That’s a very big thing, because if you want to see turmoil and a travesty, let them take out a city with a nuclear weapon. I’m not only talking about Israel and big parts of the Middle East, but let them hit us with a nuclear weapon.” 

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office in March, he said rising oil prices were “a very small thing compared to allowing them to have — you want to see the stock market go down? Start letting them hit you with nukes, OK? I said it this morning, I think it’s a very small price to pay.”

This is indeed a plausible take. (Scanning Cuno-Booth’s previous fact checks, he’s decidedly not biased in Trump’s favor.) As I noted yesterday, a review of the video does not give the impression that Trump was joking. Nor did he follow up with some variant of “there are some very bad people there.”

Still, the fact that the President of the United States routinely says wild things that have to be interpreted is less than ideal. When Joe Biden did it, we questioned his fitness for office.

22 responses to “An Alternative Explanation for Trump’s ‘Take Out Los Angeles’ Quip”

  1. This is indeed a plausible take.

    I don’t know about that. To me, he pretty clearly was ad libbing red meat to the crowd. He frequently goes to vile slanders and lies about California and its cities, and to my ears he was expecting the crowd to give a cheer for the destruction of liberal cities.

    I just rewatched and he definitely waited for the reaction after “Let them take out Los Angeles…” and not after, “it’s a small price to pay”.

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    1. @MarkedMan: The fact that we can’t dismiss nefarious intent out of hand is problematic. But his inflection there was pretty flat, with no indication that it was supposed to be a joke or a barb. It reads as a man going through the motions, riffing his way along through his standard lines.

  2. So, best-case scenario is that Trump started (and proceeded to lose) a war in order to prevent a scenario that would never happen in reality?

    That’s not really a relief, now is it?

    The notion that Iran (the same country that was willing to abide by the JCPOA) would suddenly effectively commit suicide by nuking LA is obviously completely insane.

    (Also, why did he name cities on the West Coast when the East Coast (including DC) is almost 1500 miles closer to Iran? Obviously, his grasp of geography is close to non-existent, but IMO it’s at least equally possible that he hates the West Coast (“California – the land of the fruits and the nuts” and all that) and wouldn’t mind too much if it lost a city or two. Regardless, maybe presidents should simply be articulate? Wild thought, I know.)

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    1. Trump has always disliked/hated the western United States. He’s a New York City boy through and through, with an outlook much like the famous New Yorker cover (although expanded to include Miami these days). During his first term he visited six foreign countries before he set foot west of the Mississippi River. And that first step was all the way to… the airport at Cedar Rapids, IA. I am sure he’s generally pissed off that he’s having to do rallies in places like Grand Island.

  3. Sounds plausible.
    But it MUST be noted…Fatso has done nothing to limit Iran’s ability to attain nuclear weapons.
    Making wild claims like this will not limit Iran’s nuclear capability. His wild claims don’t make the economy better. His wild claims didn’t solve the Covid crisis.
    It is undeniable fact that Fatso has made a nuclear Iran more likely, not less.

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    1. Also, Fatso’s N. Korean lover (his words, not mine) is far more likely to take out a west coast population center with a nuke.

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  4. Trump: where lack of intelligence meets lack of imagination meets lack of integrity. My read was that his three brain cells basically said, “the sale is, imagine Iran taking out a city!” … “but it can’t be a city I personally care about” … “some cities I wouldn’t mind” … and then his mouth did the flappy thing.

    The delivery makes it sound like he would be essentially neutral to such an attack because it was an off-the-cuff progression with the standard amount of Trumpian logic, thought, and social comprehension behind it. He would never say the same about New York or places in Florida, but a city in California? A bunch of whatever to him, just too hard to muster energy over it.

    Side note: Given he jumped to San Diego and not San Francisco, there’s a 97% chance he got a military briefing shortly before this speech. There’s a 2.9% chance someone mentioned the Chargers-Bills game and had to tell him for the 86th time that the Chargers moved to LA.

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  5. characteristically roundabout style of speaking

    Swiss-cheese addled brain. It’s not a “style,” it’s disease.

    I’m not sure why they bothered to dissect this. It doesn’t matter what he says, most of it is nonsense, garbage, lies, or all three.

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  6. Charley in Cleveland Avatar
    Charley in Cleveland

    Dr. J nailed it right here:

    Still, the fact that the President of the United States routinely says wild things that have to be interpreted is less than ideal. When Joe Biden did it, we questioned his fitness for office.

    That is the real issue and point of concern – the (allegedly) most powerful man in the world is basically incoherent. We have a Commander in Chief who routinely says ignorant and divisive things that are either sanewashed by the media, or rationalized by his coterie of sycophants. That said, it makes more sense that Trump was indeed referring to higher gas prices as “a small price to pay.” But, with the rhetorical ball on the 1 yard line, he couldn’t score a touchdown. (Why aren’t the Jake Tappers screeching about the 25th amendment?)

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  7. Michael Reynolds Avatar
    Michael Reynolds

    Take out San Diego? The US Navy might have a problem with that.

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    1. Not an issue. Hegseth has only the manliness of men and they would not disobey unlawful orders, because anything Trump asks for is an ‘official act.’

      Therefore I’m sure that THIS Supreme Court would be okay with this.

  8. One of you gentle readers referenced a substack not too long ago called I (Effing, my edit) Love Australia. I’ve been reading it ever since for a working class foreign take on the present US. Here’s a bit of his response to this and other screeds trump has given: I know roughly half the country voted against him and has been wearing the consequences ever since, and you have my full sympathy. My disgust is reserved for the dropkicks in the seats, who heard a president offer up two cities full of their fellow Americans and clapped because those cities barrack for the other team. They call themselves patriots, these red-capped hatracks, and they will cheer the loss of five million countrymen if the right bloke says it into a microphone. He’s right, it’s not the parsing after the fact, it’s the goobers who like it.

  9. There are a couple of reasons why this careful exegesis of Trump’s typically incoherent remarks is wrong: First, Trump is being asked by the media to clarify those remarks and he refuses. He knows how they were interpreted and he’s not correcting the record. Second, the Republican running for the House seat in San Diego interpreted them as a threat and criticized them.

    It’s far more logical to interpret this as Trump being typically careless and inflammatory. He’s demonstrated over and over again that he doesn’t deserve the benefit of a charitable reading of his remarks.

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  10. I think back to when Reagan opened his campaign in Ku Klux Klan held territory in Mississippi, right near where members of that organization tortured and then murdered three young civil rights workers, and then gave a speech about how the Federal Government was encroaching on State’s rights and he would turn that around. It was obvious at the time and still today that it was part of the Southern Strategy, sacrificing minorities to the hands of violent thugs in exchange for the racists leaving the Democratic Party and voting Republican for the first time in a century. And yet there were those that argued, “No, no, Reagan’s people claim it was all a big coincidence, they just picked that middle-of-nowhere-spot for Reasons, and absent an actual admission by him or his handlers that they were doing it to cater to the racists, we are obligated to accept them at their word.”

    And the same is still true for Trump. He threw some red meat to the traitors, bigots and racists in his party and they cheered for the death of five million people, but unless Trump comes out and says “That is exactly what I meant” we are obligated to interpret his words in the best way possible.

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  11. This is a plausible read. I am not one to tell Los Angelenos or San Diegans how to react, but I feel it is best for me to just ignore these remarks, or shake my head at how incoherent he has become.

  12. I saw this either on the Bluesky or Substack feed:

    MAGAts: You hate El Taco beacuse he says what he means!!

    Large Majority: He just said Iran should nuke LA or San Diego

    MAGAts: That’s not what he meant!!11!

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    1. “hate” = “love” ?

  13. 2028 is going to suck. The Republicans will nominate someone who doesn’t say it would be just fine for Iran to destroy a few cities, and so many people will be rushing to say that the Republicans are sensible again.

    Will it be Tucker Carlson talking about our European heritage rather than shithole countries? Marco Rubio fluffing America with talk of being the only superpower? JD Vance saying that health insurance is so expensive because of all the gender affirming care from the transgenders?

    I don’t know, but it’s very clear that a whole bunch of people are ready and eager to stroke their chins wisely and say “yes, that sounds reasonable.” (And a whole bunch that will be sad that Don Jr isn’t quoting Hitler, but they will turn out for the Republican anyway)

    The syphillitic shit said what he said. If he didn’t mean it, he would be claiming it was a hoax that the media quoted him. Maybe he misspoke, saw his freak show cheering and then decided to mean it.

  14. I’ll repeat myself from yesterday,

    To be honest, from the quotes and commentary I’ve seen I have no idea what Trump was trying to say. Which, given that it happens regularly, seems to me to be the main story here.

    I fear we lefties do have a tendency to overstate and exaggerate Trump’s statements and actions. Given history, it’s easy to assume the worst. But it does lend some tiny credence to claims of TDS and it’s completely unnecessary, there’s no need to exaggerate Trump’s awfullness. He clearly is often incapable of speaking coherently. He knows it himself and tries to alibi it as “the weave”. Isn’t that enough, and what we should focus on?

    And it ain’t just Trump,coming back to your comment,

    and so many people will be rushing to say that the Republicans are sensible again.

    A lot of people don’t realize how bad Trump is because the supposedly liberal MSM don’t quote him extensively, they summarize it to what they think he meant, which is sanewashing. Yes, after he’s gone the MSM, and NYT in particular, will redouble their decades long search for sane Republicans. (47% Romney; Bomb, bomb Iran McCain; Missy Lindsey; and so on. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz next?) I have a real love/hate thing with NYT. Margaret Sullivan, one time Ombudsman for NYT, has a Substack extensively quoting Perry Bacon detailing what’s wrong with NYT.

    In general, many of us — whatever our politics — find the Times valuable, frustrating, sometimes disappointing, and essential. I wish that all of mainstream media would meet this moment better.
    I plan to continue to call for a journalism that fully understands and embraces its role in a faltering and fragile democracy. And I know you will, too.

  15. dazedandconfused Avatar
    dazedandconfused

    He’s casting about for a rational for something he regrets. It turned out to be nowhere near as easy as Bibi told him it would be. Unlikely there is one to find that will save him. He lost a lot of supporters with this and according to many experts he is only waiting until the mid-terms are up to escalate the conflict, annihilate Iran. By accepting the image of Iran being about to nuke the US, that crowd effectively encouraged him to do more violence to it.

    The questioning of his wording is valid IMO, but it misses the issue in a frightening way.

  16. I will say this, I am very, very, very tired of having to parse his statements to figure out what they might mean.

    And, yes, the explanation given in this post had occurred to me already and is even plausible. But we should not be having to figure it out.

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    1. I fondly remember a time when I could go days, even weeks sometimes, without thinking about the president said or did.