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  1. drj Avatar
    drj

    I remember Bill Kristol as some neocon flunky, so this is quite surprising (in a good way):

    Without going all Martin Niemöller here, I do think that it’s bad not to speak up for immigrants, transgender Americans, civil servants, women, Ukraine, and everyone else the MAGA bullies are going after. We’re beyond picking and choosing whom to defend. It’s time to stand up and speak out.

  2. Jen Avatar
    Jen

    Yesterday, Mimai said:

    There does appear to be class action lawsuits ready to fight this.

    I’m pretty sure this is a feature, not a bug–if not the entire reason. My guess is that Project 2025/Heritage Foundation may be using this to get the issue of public sector unions before the Supreme Court.

    This is a standard conservative strategy–to try and force things they don’t like before the Court in the hopes that they’ll either chip away at it or overturn things outright.

  3. Scott Avatar
    Scott

    I wonder if DOGE is going to do a deep dive on SpaceX invoices submitted to NASA. I hear there is massive fraud.

    Is that how this goes?

  4. Scott Avatar
    Scott

    A little history lesson which may be appropriate to the attempt to politicize our civil service:

    How a Presidential Assassination Led to the End of the Spoils System

    In the early United States, most presidents operated under something called the “spoils system.” This meant that when new presidents took office, they often replaced federal employees who’d worked under a previous administration with loyalists from their own party. Federal employees could face firing if they didn’t demonstrate their fealty to the ruling party by obeying party bosses or donating money to campaigns. This wasn’t an official U.S. policy, but over time, it became an entrenched political norm.

    Calls for reform of the spoils system increased with the growth of the federal government after the Civil War. It then came to a head when a disgruntled spoils system supporter shot President James A. Garfield for not giving him a job. The shooting led to Garfield’s death two months later, and helped convince his successor, Chester A. Arthur, to reform the civil service and begin dismantling the spoils system.

  5. Kurtz Avatar
    Kurtz

    @Scott:

    No, you didn’t do it right. It has to come from Musk. He could bat below the Mendoza Line and people will just assume he hit a home run every at-bat and count the RBI. I still see people repeating the condoms sent to Hamas lie.

    On the other hand, maybe we will get some clarity, because the Press Sec. assured all of us that Musk would excuse himself from any decision that presents a conflict of interest.

    I have a migraine from all the stupid.

    Yeah, I’m talking about you. (You know who you are.)

  6. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    Meanwhile, Musk pulls the nation deeper into his own hallucinations.

    Grok 3 launches today as Elon Musk’s ‘scary good’ AI chatbot looks set to take on ChatGPT

    Fewer hallucinations
    In the call Musk also talked about Grok 3’s ability to reduce the curse of AI chatbots, the errors that creep into AI – often called ‘hallucinations’ – by going back and forth through the data and tries to achieve logical consistency, so if it has wrong data that doesn’t fit reality, it will reflect on it and remove the error.

    https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/grok-3-launches-today-as-elon-musks-scary-good-ai-chatbot-looks-set-to-take-on-chatgpt

    Does Grok3 have the ability to identify when its handlers are impaired by ketamine?

    Described elsewhere:

    Dustin Burnham
    @dustinthedad
    This is the colossus compute cluster in Memphis Tennessee, powering XAI’s Grok.

    The first coherently chained 100,000 H100 Nvidia processors, making it 3-5 times more powerful than the competitors.

    Grok 3 is going to be nuts

    https://x.com/dustinthedad/status/1890960308572721464

    Just like it’s benefactor.

  7. Sleeping Dog Avatar
    Sleeping Dog

    @drj:

    That Kristol and other neocons are open to “liberal” social policy isn’t a big surprise. The driving force for neocons has always been forceful opposition to Communism and for the US to activist/interventionist in world affairs. Democracy promotion and market economics has also been a significant part of necon beliefs, though they were willing to defer it in their anti-communist pursuits.

    In the 70’s when the neocon movement was founding, the early leaders were generally former Democrats and some liberal Republicans. They aligned with the R’s because as a party Dems were beginning to advocate a more circumscribed role for the US in world affairs and seeking accomodation with the USSR.

    Necons as part of the R party were simply willing to accept the social conservative bent of the party, because of its anti-communism and later the willingness to project US power.

    One thing I noticed about the core writers at The Bulwark when it appeared on the scene, was the willingness of folks like Kristol, Sykes, Mona Charon and Cathy Young to write supportively about domestic issues that put them in agreement with moderate Dems, something they wouldn’t have done if they still viewed themselves as Republicans.

  8. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    Speaking of late-to-conscience Bill Kristol, a pair of xeets:

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol

    This reads better in the original German.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Feb 15
    He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1890842626699530580

  9. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    We have a winner! (sent to me)

    The Gulf of Meaningless Distraction While The Rich Who Pay No Taxes Loot the Treasury & Burn the Constitution

    https://gulfof.mapquest.com/?name=Meaningless+Distraction+While+The+Rich+Who+Pay+No+Taxes+Loot+the+Treasury+%26+Burn+the+Constitution

  10. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    They’re just getting started. “Flood the zone.”

    Litigation Tracker: Legal Challenges to Trump Administration Actions
    This public resource tracks legal challenges to Trump administration actions. If you think we are missing anything, you can email us at

    https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/

    As of this date, February 17, 2025 there are 74 legal challenges to Trump’s Administration. Not surprising given his lifetime of attracting legal scrutiny like flies on __________.

  11. Jen Avatar
    Jen

    Aaaaand a bunch of FAA workers have been fired.

    I can’t remember, have we had any issues with planes recently?

  12. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @Rob1:

    Not surprising given his lifetime of attracting legal scrutiny like flies on __________.

    trump. “like flies on trump.”

  13. Daryl Avatar
    Daryl

    @Rob1:
    AI, like Musk, creates nothing. It only recycles what already was.

  14. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @Scott:

    What if the next Democratic president runs on a platform to nationalize XpaceS?

  15. gVOR10 Avatar
    gVOR10

    @Rob1:

    Not surprising given his lifetime of attracting legal scrutiny like flies on __________.

    Is this another one of your libturd allusions to Trump wearing adult diapers as reported by several people who’ve been downwind of him?

  16. Sleeping Dog Avatar
    Sleeping Dog

    @Sleeping Dog:

    Neglected to mention that the other major issue for the neocons is Israel, thought there is nuance with regard to a Palestinian state among some.

  17. Jen Avatar
    Jen

    Absolutely rhetorical question:

    Why TF does Musk need access to the IRS accounts/data of ordinary Americans?

    Not rhetorical:

    HOW IS THERE NO WAY TO STOP THIS??

  18. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @Jen:

    He owns a data mining company, Xitter. Imagine how much more and better data the IRS has.

  19. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    Need to look past the clichè at what is actual happening to our government.

    This is a coup’: Trump and Musk’s purge is cutting more than costs, say experts

    In slashing staff and disabling entire agencies the administration is lacerating the structures of US democracy

    A former IG, who requested anonymity to speak freely, warned bluntly: “Trump and Musk are gaslighting the American people. No one should believe Musk and his troops have actually discovered billions of dollars of waste, fraud, abuse and ‘corruption’. If they had, we would know the specifics. They can’t provide them and they won’t [..]

    Trump and Musk have also attacked judges who have made rulings opposing several of their moves after they ended up in court, threatening at least one with impeachment and accusing him of improper interference. [..]

    “In the US, we appeal rulings we disagree with – we don’t ignore court orders or threaten judges with impeachment just because we don’t like the decision. This is a coup, plain and simple,” Arizona’s attorney general, Kris Mayes, said

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/trump-musk-government-cost-cutting-coup

  20. just nutha Avatar
    just nutha

    @Jen: There are ways to stop it, but they require a Congress, courts, and leadership that will submit to them.

    Or [nope, not gonna go there, wouldn’t be prudent (and I’ve already stirred up enough s*** here today)]

  21. Eusbio Avatar
    Eusbio

    @Jen: “Why TF does Musk need access to the IRS accounts/data of ordinary Americans?”

    Simple… because “Waste, fraud and abuse have been deeply entrenched in our broken system for far too long,” and “It takes direct access to the system to identify and fix it,” according to a White House spokesperson. But since that meaningless statement doesn’t address the question of why they would root through taxpayer data, I’ve got a better idea–hire more auditors to review complex and high value tax returns. We already know that would save billions in actual dollars, which is much more than the GED has to show for itself.

    And we’re being assured that the GED employee will have the proper security clearance for the IRS systems, but we’ve also come to understand that trump will bestow security clearances at his discretion without the usual FBI background checks.

    If it’s waste they’re looking for, then please don’t eff with a system that isn’t broke. From what I’ve seen, a taxpayer can easily make estimated payments, file a tax return electronically, get a refund (if applicable) in about a week and half, and even receive an unsolicited interest payment from the IRS on excess payment made in some cases.

    If it’s fraud, then fraud on the part of whom? Pretty much every taxpayer verifies the amount owed and has recourse if there’s an error–the responsiveness of the taxpayer phone line, for example, has improved in recent years with average wait times under 5 (or maybe 3) minutes. Or if it’s taxpayers defrauding the system, then refer back to hiring more auditors, because no matter what digital checks or AI analyses they could run on tax returns, the tax code is a complicated beast that is gamed by humans and so certain returns will require human analysis at some point.

  22. Eusebio Avatar
    Eusebio

    @Jen: “Why TF does Musk need access to the IRS accounts/data of ordinary Americans?”

    Simple… because “Waste, fraud and abuse have been deeply entrenched in our broken system for far too long,” and “It takes direct access to the system to identify and fix it,” according to a White House spokesperson. But since that meaningless statement doesn’t address the question of why they would root through taxpayer data, I’ve got a better idea–hire more auditors to review complex and high value tax returns. We already know that would save billions in actual dollars, which is much more than the GED has to show for itself.

    And we’re being assured that the GED employee will have the proper security clearance for the IRS systems, but we’ve also come to understand that trump will bestow security clearances at his discretion without the usual FBI background checks.

    If it’s waste they’re looking for, then please don’t eff with a system that isn’t broke. From what I’ve seen, a taxpayer can easily make estimated payments, file a tax return electronically, get a refund (if applicable) in about a week and half, and even receive an unsolicited interest payment from the IRS on excess payment made in some cases.

    If it’s fraud, then fraud on the part of whom? Pretty much every taxpayer verifies the amount owed and has recourse if there’s an error–the responsiveness of the taxpayer phone line, for example, has improved in recent years with average wait times under 5 (or maybe 3) minutes. Or if it’s taxpayers defrauding the system, then refer back to hiring more auditors, because no matter what digital checks or AI analyses they could run on tax returns, the tax code is a complicated beast that is gamed by humans and so certain returns will require human analysis at some point.

  23. Min Avatar
    Min

    “Trump administration pressures Romania to lift restrictions on Andrew Tate”

    The Trump administration has pressured Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest.

    https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27

    It’s always the BEST people.

  24. Min Avatar
    Min

    It seems like the Trump administration is pressuring Romania to lift restrictions on the Tate brothers.

    “The Trump administration has pressured Romanian authorities to lift travel restrictions on the self-described misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, a champion of the US president who is facing criminal charges in Bucharest.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/3f951e0b-a9cb-489a-be89-fdf9f996ed27

    It’s always the best people.

  25. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    It may be the end stage of US collapse, which may take the rest of the world with it, but we still need to eat. So, my latest recipe:

    1/2 cup white beans
    1/2 cup barely
    1 chicken breast (I used boneless this time)
    Enough broth to cover the grains and part of the chicken
    I added paprika and garlic powder to taste)

    Stick it in an instant pot and cook at high pressure for 20-25 minutes, followed by 20 minutes of “natural release*”

    In a separate pan I caramelized some onions, then added about half a small container of tomato pure (around 100-110 grams) and one can of green salsa (no idea how much that was), more paprika, garlic powder, and pepper (I was very tired from a long working weekend).

    Shred the chicken, mix everything together, serve with rice on the side.

    *That’s the terminology used, but I think little or no steam gets released with the valve closed. But if the pot on the keep warm mode doesn’t sustain the steam temperature, I suppose the pressure does go down some.

  26. JohnSF Avatar
    JohnSF

    Looks like the Muskolytes are now poking away at Social Security records, and totally misunderstanding what they find.

    DOGE shutting down social security payment would be most amusing, but I doubt even Musk is quite THAT stupid.

  27. CSK Avatar
    CSK

    @JohnSF:

    I really don’t expect painstaking accuracy from a 19-year-old incel twerp with a stupid haircut and wearing a suit coat and shorts.

  28. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @JohnSF:

    but I doubt even Musk is quite THAT stupid.

    It wouldn’t be so much out of stupidity as it would be out of ambition, super-sized megalomaniac version.

  29. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @gVOR10: Wow. I guess I missed that. Is that what they’re saying? For realz? And such a snappy dresser!

  30. Pete S Avatar
    Pete S

    It appears a Delta flight has crashed in Toronto, flipped over on its roof. We have been having miserable weather all weekend which may be related. So far it seems all survived which would indeed be a miraculous result.

  31. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @Pete S:

    Thanks.

    I went looking for more info, but there’s really nothing to add yet.

  32. Rob1 Avatar
    Rob1

    @Kathy:

    He owns a data mining company, Xitter. Imagine how much more and better data the IRS has.

    You raise an important point I’ve been kicking around. Having $400B wealth, Musk probably doesn’t care about money. From the way he blew up Twitter that should be obvious. He cares about power and control. He’s running hard on his own internal hallucinations. But he knows the power of data —- the power it confers to the one who owns it. He certainly learned that early with PayPal.

    The danger from his access to the data of our government (OUR Social Security, OUR taxes, OUR public servants, OUR national security) is that we have zero assurance of his integrity, we have zero assurance of his loyalty to this society, we have zero knowledge of what he plans to do with the data, and we have damn near zero means of accountability from the world’s wealthiest man who conveys scornful disregard for this nation’s liberal democracy, while sidling up to interests traditionally hostile to our own. We have seen how easily he disregards people who work for him or disagrees with him.

    This should be very troubling to every American who values a country where the government is accountable to the people, and have benefitted from the fruits of a stable, civil society.

    One more note: Just started seeing advertisements touting a TMobile/Starlink partnership. That would provide one big data funnel to feast off, to somebody with high ambition of domination.

  33. al Ameda Avatar
    al Ameda

    @Jen:

    Aaaaand a bunch of FAA workers have been fired.
    … I can’t remember, have we had any issues with planes recently?

    Yes, but those ‘issues’ were all due to DEI and they’re on that.

  34. restless Avatar
    restless

    @JohnSF:

    Musk says – “the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!”

    and shows about 38 million children under age 9. From the Statista website
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/457786/number-of-children-in-the-us-by-age/
    there were 46 million children under age 11, so not too far off.

    Don’t most children in the US need a SSN to be claimed as a dependent on taxes?

    And while there are obvious errors here that should be fixed, just having “death field false” doesn’t mean “social security recipient “, does it?

    Am I missing something?

  35. CSK Avatar
    CSK

    @Kathy:

    NBC says 18 injured. No fatalities, happily.

  36. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @Kathy:

    I neglected to mention a fast release of pressure after the “natural release.” I don’t think the pot can be opened if it’s still under pressure, but don’t even try.

  37. CSK Avatar
    CSK

    Four deputy mayors have resigned from Eric Adams’s office.

  38. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @CSK:

    The last accident that stated “no fatalities” shortly after it happened, wound up with well over half of those onboard dead.

    This one report might be true. The plane looks intact enough that any fatalities are not likely, if most passengers were wearing seatbelts, but I still prefer to wait.

  39. JohnSF Avatar
    JohnSF

    @restless:
    I’m not sure how the US social security system works.
    But there’s a very obvious reason for the “people over 100 on the rolls”: its a record of social security numbers that were not closed off because no valid death certificate was ever logged.

    My guess:because there was no automatic method for doing so, doing so manually would be a p.i.t.a, and no one could be bothered because there not much point.

    That does not mean they are receiving payments.
    Set the query to show those with age over 110 actually receiving payments; I suspect that number will be extremely low.

    I also suspect Musk simply doesn’t understand the nature of the query that was run

  40. CSK Avatar
    CSK

    @Kathy:

    Here’s the typical MAGA reaction to the accident: “I feel confident there’s some DEI hire involved.”

  41. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @JohnSF:

    I’ve read here and there the percentage of erroneous payments is around 0.5%-0.9%. That’s very low, and very hard to get rid off. The problem is this comes from a base of annual payments of over $1 trillion. so, even 1% of that is a huge sum ($10 billion).

    I expect fraudulent claims are a bigger problem. Not just in social security, but in other areas as well. I’ve heard of big companies paying off phony bills because no one can tell whether they are legitimate or not.

    But in the first place, how much would it cost to eliminate all errors and close down all fraud? If it costs more than the bad payments, does it make sense to pursue such an action?

  42. Gustopher Avatar
    Gustopher

    Meanwhile, in Florida… colossal stupidity and incompetence abounds.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men

    A Jewish man in Miami Beach is facing charges of attempted murder following accusations that he opened fire on two men he believed were Palestinians but reportedly turned out to be Israeli visitors.

    Well, that was dumb. But it can’t get worse, can it?

    According to arrest documents, at 9.30pm on Saturday surveillance video appeared to show Mordechai Brafman, 27, getting out of his truck and opening fire with a semiautomatic handgun at a vehicle as it passed. Brafman allegedly fired 17 times, striking one victim in the left shoulder and grazing the other’s left forearm.

    17 bullets. 1.5 hits. This is just poor performance. Not that we would want them to be better, but… still a little disappointed in their skills.

    While in custody, Brafman spontaneously told detectives that while he was driving his truck, “he saw two Palestinians and shot and killed both”, arrest documents said.

    I don’t know whether I’m more bothered by their delusions of competence, or their staggering stupidity in telling the police anything.

    Further complicating the incident, one of the injured men reportedly posted “death to the Arabs” in a message on social media after the shooting.

    Perfect. Absolutely perfect.

  43. al Ameda Avatar
    al Ameda

    @JohnSF:
    My guess:because there was no automatic method for doing so, doing so manually would be a p.i.t.a, and no one could be bothered because there not much point.
    …That does not mean they are receiving payments.
    Set the query to show those with age over 110 actually receiving payments; I suspect that number will be extremely low.

    Exactly.
    Trump/MAGA managed to insinuate that all manner of fraud activity is associated with the Voter Rolls too. There are, at any given moment, a number of people on the Rolls that no longer live in that county, have changed address, or are deceased*. Of course that does not mean that anyone voted in the names of anyone who shouldn’t be on the Roll, but Republicans, because of Trump SAYING there was rampant voter fraud, believe that the voting system is corrupt EXCEPT when Trump wins.

    *Note: When my father passed away two years ago, as Executor of his estate affirs, I provided the County Registrar of Voters with a copy of his death certificate.

  44. gVOR10 Avatar
    gVOR10

    @Gustopher:

    17 bullets. 1.5 hits.

    Doesn’t sound much different from a lot of shootings by cops Even after years of training, empty the magazine and hope for the “best”.

  45. Just nutha ignint cracker Avatar
    Just nutha ignint cracker

    @JohnSF:

    I also suspect Musk simply doesn’t understand the nature of the query that was run

    It’s also possible that he’s deliberately misrepresenting it. Possibly to justify what otherwise would be a significant intrusion.

    ETA: My go to position on the Trump administration is no longer to ascribe to stupidity what can be ascribed to malice. I’m sorry, but that’s just who I am.

  46. CSK Avatar
    CSK

    Rep Claudia Tenney (R-NY) has introduced a bill to make Trump’s birthday, June 14, an official holiday. Since June 14 is already Flag Day, this new occasion would be known as “Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day.”

    She seems to be serious about this.

  47. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    @gVOR10:

    I’ve shot real bullets only once. I had trouble figuring the sights out, so all my ten shots were way off the target, except one that went awry and struck the general vicinity. Had I attempted this with an automatic weapon, all shots would have missed.

    But that only shows lack of skill.

    @Gustopher:

    I find it astonishing he thought he could shoot two people just because what they are.

  48. Bobert Avatar
    Bobert

    @al Ameda:
    My understanding is that funeral directors/homes are required by Federal law to notify SS of a person in their care.

  49. Beth Avatar
    Beth

    @Jen:

    So, serious question, other than inertia, why are we continuing to pay taxes to the IRS if Musk has breached the system? My understanding is that once in they can make whatever changes they want. Is there a log? is there a backup? how do we know that Musk hasn’t changed something?

    Me, personally, I am hoping that Musk manages to fully delete one of the important money databases; Treasury, Social Security, IRS. Just, “whoopsie, gone”. Now, I fully understand that means [raspberries, thumbs down] on just about everything. At some point everyone is going to have to face this, there’s really no going back to how things were. Why not just push the whole thing over.

    In other news, I just bought a one way ticket to London for the first week of March. I don’t know if I want to cry or throw up about that. I’ll be in my new home city for my Birthday; seems Alanis Morrissette.

    We are starting to get anecdotal drips of trans people getting their passports confiscated/destroyed. I’m not 100% sure about all the info I’m seeing, but there’s enough smoke…

  50. Daryl Avatar
    Daryl

    Has DOGE provided receipts yet?

  51. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    So, what passes for the felon’s administration has filed an appeal directly with the Leo & Crow court, claiming a court’s order to reinstate the head of the Office of the Special Counsel is “an impermissible check on presidential monarchical power.”

    Oh, did I say the quiet part loud?

    Monarchy literally means “rule by one.”

    I think even the most ignorant, disengaged citizens will recognize the phrase “a system of checks and balances.” Add “division of powers,” and one can plainly see it si emphatically the duty of the courts and the Congress (if it ever stirs from acquiescence and obsequiousness) to check the power of the executive branch.

    I wonder who Scalito and Uncle Thomas will twist logic and mutilate reason to rule otherwise.

  52. Mister Bluster Avatar
    Mister Bluster

    When my father died at 85 in November of 2001 I called Social Security and actually spoke to a live person. I called to report his death and make a claim for the death benefit (Not much, might have covered the match they used to light the fire at the crematory.) and the survivor benefit for my mom. She was already drawing some Social Security due to her work history and the survivor benefit increased her draw considerably. I remember getting a copy of a death certificate and sending it somewhere to facilitate the change in benefits for mom.
    Disclaimer: I think that this is how all of this went down. It was 23 years ago and I’m working with a fading memory.
    Damn. I’m 77 now. I’ll have to clock another 8 years to match dad. Mom lived to 88…
    Time to watch Chinatown again…or maybe Blade Runner…

    Posted 8:36 pm 2-17-25

  53. Jax Avatar
    Jax

    @Daryl: Hahahaha, they DID!!! It’s like under 10 million dollars, I think. 😉 😉

    https://doge.gov/savings

    Man, they’re gonna have to work harder to earn their 8 million dollars a day.

  54. al Ameda Avatar
    al Ameda

    @Bobert:

    My understanding is that funeral directors/homes are required by Federal law to notify SS of a person in their care.

    Interesting. I was unaware of that.
    Still after going to the County Registrar of Voters, I went over to the Social Security Administration offices and provided them with a death certificate too.