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What Americans Think 25 Years After 9/11

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Reuters (“25 years after 9/11, Americans fear domestic extremists more than foreign attacks, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds“):

Twenty-five years after the September 11 attacks focused U.S. fears on threats ​from abroad, Americans are now considerably more worried about attacks by domestic extremists than by foreign groups, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

When asked to ‌name the biggest threat to the safety of average Americans, 33% of respondents picked “domestic terrorism,” while 20% picked foreign terror and 42% pointed to random acts of violence such as mass shootings, the August 28-31 poll found.

The picture was much different a decade ago. Reuters/Ipsos polling from mid-2013 showed 21% of Americans viewed domestic terror as the top threat, less than the 28% who pointed to foreign terror ​and 51% who picked random acts of violence.

When I saw this story yesterday, my first instinct was to wonder whether a third of Americans named domestic terrorism as the greatest threat off the top of their heads or based on a menu of choices. Unfortunately, there was no link to the poll questions, and Ipsos didn’t have one on their website.

They do now. Alas, this particular question is not among the provided topline questions. But since all the listed questions come with a list of options, I suspect that this one did as well.

I share the topline conclusion that, of the named choices, random acts of violence are more likely to kill the average American than domestic terrorism, which in turn is more likely to do so than foreign terrorism. But I would put automobile accidents, heart attacks, cancer, and being murdered by a personal acquaintance considerably higher than any of those.

I was more than a bit amused by this finding:

At first blush, it’s absurd. Americans overwhelmingly still support a military response to a 9/11-style attack and yet, almost as overwhelmingly, think the wars launched in the aftermath of 9/11 were not worth it. But it would be hard to imagine not going after al Qaeda’s sanctuary in Afghanistan after the attacks. Maybe the answer is to limit the military response to goals achievable with force, rather than trying to remake a medieval civilization into a modern one.

And I’m somewhat surprised by this as well:

I’m clearly in the minority here, in that I wrote much of the airport screening effort as security theater even at the outset. It’s also noteworthy that those who identify with each of the two major parties have almost identical views on the matter; only self-identified Independents are skeptical.

8 responses to “What Americans Think 25 Years After 9/11”

  1. At first blush, it’s absurd. Americans overwhelmingly still support a military response to a 9/11-style attack and yet, almost as overwhelmingly, think the wars launched in the aftermath of 9/11 were not worth it.

    Given the margin of error of the poll, it is possible that of the 65ish% of Americans who would support a military response to 9/11 II, each might support exactly one of the Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran wars.

    At first glance I was wondering why the Iran war was included in that group, but then I remembered that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 either. They’re just our Muslim Wars, and I can see grouping them that way.

    It’s also noteworthy that those who identify with each of the two major parties have almost identical views on the matter [airport security]; only self-identified Independents are skeptical.

    A horrifying number of independents are of the “both sides are the same” variety, so this does not surprise me. They’re also the ones least likely to trust the government with anything.

    (Meanwhile, most security experts say that the ban on liquids flying does cut down a major risk… so, it’s not all security theater. And theater can be important.)

    “When asked to ‌name the biggest threat to the safety of average Americans…” When I saw this story yesterday, my first instinct was to wonder whether a third of Americans named domestic terrorism as the greatest threat off the top of their heads or based on a menu of choices.

    I expect terms like “safety” and “average Americans” are changing the results. “The biggest threat to the safety of average Americans” and “the most likely things to harm you” are going to trigger very different emotions and thought patterns.

    The former implies a threat to America itself.

    And for that I’d go with either climate change or state sponsored/sanctioned domestic terrorism. We can weather pretty much anything else if we want to. I guess nuclear war and pandemics are up there too.

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  2. A lot of unknowable questions.

    Was the US a target because it was so involved in the Middle East in support of Israel?

    What if we restricted our response to the terrorists and just the terrorists?

    What would be the outcome if we let those ME nations work out their own differences?

    Was our military unprepared (and maybe is still unprepared) for extra national warfare, i.e. Global War on Terror?

    What if we didn’t conflate Al-Queda and other terror groups with national leaders (like Saddam Hussein in Iraq)?

    What if we didn’t believe that Islam is only represented and manifested by Arab countries? What if we understood that majority of Islamic countries are far more moderate and numerous (like Turkey, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia)?

    So many, what ifs, but this country never learns and gets dragged into conflicts without thought out desired outcomes and strategies to achieve those outcomes.

  3. Somewhere, bin Laden is smiling. Mission Accomplished.

  4. At the time 9/11 happened, a military response was pretty much inevitable.

    What the response turned out to be, in hindsight, was far less than ideal.

    War is the continuation of policy by other means, as Clausewitz claimed. But one thing is what the politicians want to accomplish, and a different thing is what the military can achieve.

    Remember there was much talk against the idea of nation-building int he late 90s and the first two years of this century, especially among Republicans may they rest in peace). As soon as the war started, all this talk stopped.

    One can argue it would have been irresponsible, and dangerous, to get Al Qaida and topple the Taliban and just leave a wrecked country to its own devices. This still seems a reasonable position. And yet, we know it didn’t work even after 20 years.

    There’s also the Iraq war matter, aka Bush’s Biggest Blunder. I don’t know if the resources and personnel used up in Iraq would have made things different in Afghanistan or not.

    And let’s not forget it took ten years to get bin Laden.

    So, I don’t know what the proper action would have been. Only that perhaps the politicians should check what the military can actually do.

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  5. Maybe the answer is to limit the military response to goals achievable with force, rather than trying to remake a medieval civilization into a modern one.

    Bingo. When Afghanistan started I assumed it was in the nature of a large scale raid, go in, beat up Al Qaida as best we could, and leave. Why did I assume that? Because nothing else made any sense.

    Of late I’ve been seeing article saying our withdrawal was a failure because Afghan women are being oppressed. Our withdrawal was a complete success, we’re out. Early in the game a critic observed that invading Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban was like invading Georgia to defeat the rednecks. It’s a lifestyle, not an organization.

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    1. Early in the game a critic observed that invading Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban was like invading Georgia to defeat the rednecks. It’s a lifestyle, not an organization.

      Sherman gave it a shot.

      I still think we could have done better with Reconstruction, but the Taliban counter-example is definitely something to think about.

  6. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was trying to establish a petroleum production company independent of Saudi Arabia. Their attempted takeover of Kuwait was a part of this. The USA under Bush crushed this. Saddam remained a threat to Saudi hegemony, and we turned a terrorist attack into a reason to wipe him out. Our government clearly had an obligation to punish those responsible; turning this into a tearjerker, heart tugger was a bit much in my opinion. I knew someone who was employed by a multi national corporation in London when it seemed that the IRA was bombing every day. He kept his cool, granted the death totals were much less. He wasn’t happy with how Gerry Adams was treated by many American politicians. I’m glad I’m not in Kyiv.

  7. Maybe the answer is to limit the military response to goals achievable with force, rather than trying to remake a medieval civilization into a modern one.

    As gVOR10 says above, my response would be, “Yes! We should respond militarily!” and to the unanswered question, “NO! We shouldn’t give the planning and execution of that military responese to giant man-babies with an absurd understanding of wars and a completely unjustified confidence in their own ability to triumph!!”

    I don’t remember if I was an OTB commentator before we actually engaged, but I do know I gave way too much credence to Colin Powell’s assurances that Saddam Hussein was actively trying to attack the West with WMD (spoiler alert: all lies) and thought they needed to be dealt with. But even despite that I remember commentating on-line and off that net-net I didn’t want W and his idiot friends planning and executing that war, and felt that smaller responses were better until we got some actual adults in charge.

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