Does No One Understand How Our Government Works?

A headline and poll makes me ask.

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Via the AP: Voters prioritize costs and Iran over investigating Trump for next Congress, AP-NORC poll finds

Regardless of the outcome of the Nov. 3 election, a new AP-NORC poll shows voters from both major political parties want the next Congress to focus on making life more affordable and ending the war in Iran, while fewer are looking for an emphasis on President Donald Trump — whether it’s investigating him or supporting his agenda.

Here are the results in question:

On the one hand, yes, that is what the polling shows.

But it seems worth noting that 60% of the party that is likely to win the majority of the House, and maybe the Senate, does want investigations of the Trump administration. So I expect we will get plenty of those.

When it comes to the headline notion that people want the cost of living lowered (who doesn’t?), for Congress to be able to do anything that might affect the cost of living, it would require legislation that Trump would veto.

Two obvious places are tariffs and the Iran War. Trump is not going to sign off on giving away his trade wars, nor will he acquiesce to any kind of legislative binds on his warmaking in Iran.

There also is the pesky problem that a lot of the economic damage is so deep that even an immediate and full opening of the Strait of Hormuz and the utter cessation of Trump’s trade wars will not snap the economy back into place.

Further, the best tools that Congress will have to put pressure on the Trump administration to do things like change policy on Iran (and other areas) will be investigations. Giving us all a better understanding of the damage that has been done in the region to US military capabilities will create pressure. Trying to hold people accountable will create pressure. Indeed, the only hope that Democrats have is to focus public attention on these failures in ways that heretofore have not been the case.

And even doing that will likely be insufficient, but it is their best avenue forward, with the real goal being gaining a trifecta in 2029 so that some real governing (and hopefully some actual democratic reforms) can be implemented.

I am in favor of passing legislation and forcing him to veto it, but the odds of any such vetoes being overridden are slim to none.

As I recently noted:

There is also the fact of the matter that the president can veto any legislation passed to constrain him (his own check on another branch). And while Congress can override such a veto with a two-thirds vote in both chambers, the reality is that getting that kind of consensus is nearly impossible. This fact means that even if the Democrats win both chambers in November, their ability to check the president via legislation is essentially nil.

Math is a harsh mistress, and Congress rarely has the votes to counter-check the president by overriding a veto.

Of course, there is the impeachment power, but that requires a two-thirds majority in the Senate. We have already seen that even after Trump was seen to have fomented an insurrection, the Republican-controlled Senate was unwilling to convict Trump in his second impeachment trial, which would have barred him from holding federal office ever again. His term was over, I would note, and there was clear hope he was done with politics. If under those circumstances the president’s party would not vote to convict in an impeachment trial, can anyone really take the impeachment power seriously as a check on the executive?

The partisan math is again clear.

Unfortunately, instead of voters (and headline writers, pollsters, and a lot of pundits) coming to see how the very mechanisms of government fail to create the pathways for voters to get what they want, we will likely go through yet another cycle of bemoaning that the politicians are ignoring the population, which will fuel populists and authoritarians who promise they alone can fix it.

What concerns me, and dovetails with ongoing conversations about democratic feedback loops, is that the voters want something done about affordability, and when nothing is done, they will then blame the Democrats for being unable to perform a miracle, and we get stuck in the wash/rinse/repeat of it all. I suppose the only good news is that the public tends to focus on the president, and so the lack of any changes (indeed, with the prospects of things getting worse) will redound to the Democrats’ advantage in 2028.

Ultimately, if the public really wants to be able to elect a government that will then actually do the things it wants, we need to make some serious changes to the way we govern ourselves. At the very least, it would be nice if we could start being honest with ourselves about how thing work (or, in fact, don’t).

10 responses to “Does No One Understand How Our Government Works?”

  1. To answer the headline question, no–the vast majority do not understand how our government works. At all. They are addicted to a television/movie version where problems are solved in 60/90/120 minutes. Movies like Dave and The American President, and to a lesser extent The West Wing, make people think there’s some relatively orderly process when really it’s a sh!tshow of competing interests, massive egos, and lobbying money. (Miss Sloane and Thank You For Smoking are closer to reality, but still don’t get to the sheer mess of it all.)

    We rather famously have a sitting US Senator who didn’t know what the three branches of government even are.

    “[…] for Congress to be able to do anything that might affect the cost of living, it would require legislation that Trump would veto.”

    They need to do so anyway. Over and over and over–make him veto everything. In fact, they need to pass stuff they KNOW he will veto.

    This, of course, assumes that Democrats will win and that Republicans and the Administration aren’t planning on messing with the results, which I am less and less sure of by the minute. Blanche’s comments today, along with noise about not seating newly-elected Democrats is all making me jumpy. Very, very jumpy.

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  2. No, the public at large does not understand how government works. They do no understand the branches of government. They do not understand the limits of the legislature. They do not understand the filibuster. They do not understand the electoral college.

    It really is a black box for most people, and has devolved into a team sport.

    There are a non-insignificant number of people on the left who blame Biden for Roe v. Wade being overturned — to be fair, these are stupid, uneducated people and mostly left-described leftists looking for a reason to vote third party. Their gross misunderstanding will do nothing to prevent them for supporting their team, which isn’t even playing.*

    It’s almost as if the founding fathers** feared and hated democracy, and tossed in an assortment of systems that would ensure that government would remain in the hands of a wealthy elite, and that the American Revolution was just about whether the local wealthy elite would rule.

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    *: This is what third-party voters sound like to me: “Who do you want to win the Super Bowl?” “Tiger Woods.”

    (I can respect a third party voter who understands what they are doing, and the consequences — if you are in a safe state, make your protest vote. I long for the day a Democrat wins the White House with a minority of the popular vote, and that isn’t going to happen if everyone in Washington or California votes blue)

    **: the following generations did a bit too. The filibuster and budget reconciliation work hand-in-hand to prevent change (the filibuster directly, and budget reconciliation for keeping the lights on while nothin happens)

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  3. Unfortunately, instead of voters (and headline writers, pollsters, and a lot of pundits) coming to see how the very mechanisms of government fail to create the pathways for voters to get what they want, we will likely go through yet another cycle of bemoaning that the politicians are ignoring the population, which will fuel populists and authoritarians who promise they alone can fix it.

    As much as I have been on the voters, this example is really on the headline writers, pollsters, and pundits (& populist politicians).

    The poll asks for the voters’ priorities. The press, politicians, and punditry are bending these voter preferences to meet their incentivized interests, respectfully horse race/click-bait coverage, electability messaging, and talking points for their platforms.

    I don’t think this poll illustrates the public’s authentic ignorance of how our government works. (There are plenty of other examples of this!) Rather this coverage illustrates the willful ignorance of public facing groups who would exploit the public’s authentic ignorance to their own ends.

  4. The main point is that voters have expectations of what their vote will accomplish, other than electing the official they’re voting for.

    So a large part of the population may vote Democratic in order to bring prices down or ease the affordability crisis.

    Whether this is a realistic expectation or not may not matter much. Results do. So if things get better, they may vote Democratic again in 2028. If not, well, look at 2024.

  5. Yes the math means little or nothing of what the voters want will happen, but Dems need to ID 4 or 5 of the most popular issues that the voters claim to want, pass that legislation knowing it will be vetoed and end the filibuster if needed. Let the felon veto the bill and let the R’s up hold the veto and then beat them with those votes in 2028.

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  6. What Dr. Taylor said. The Dem focus on affordability makes me nervous. It’s probably necessary in order to win elections, but they’re writing a check they can’t cash.

    I’m seeing a lot of punditry lately that if the Dems win Congress they need to focus on bipartisan issues where they can actually pass things. No. Wrong. The priority has to be on the long term future of the Republic. That requires structural and other major changes. If they can’t pass them, they have to make it clear why they can’t, not pick around the edges.

    If we get a seat or two majority in the Senate the first thing Schumer or whoever (please, God) replaces him must do is kill the filibuster. If killing it is a bridge too far, restore the speaking filibuster rules. The speaking filibuster was dropped so the Senate could get on with other business. These days they don’t seem to get much done anyway. A speaking filibuster would force some GOP to stand up and be the face of obstruction, and it might end the MSM headlines like, “Affordable Housing Bill Fails 55-45” without stressing the 55 were FOR.

  7. Whole discussion is out over the skis a bit. Dems haven’t won yet. They need to win the House and the Senate first; the latter is not a foregone conclusion. If Dems don’t win the Senate it’s still mostly on Trump and Republicans to deliver.

    If Dems win all of Congress, then they’ll have three months to fight Trump’s potential election denial dirty tricks, including possible attempts at ballot seizure. If a Dem Congress is seated, then they can be pressured as far as any specific agenda. Well aware of congressional limitations behind Trump’s veto and executive power, they are promising two years of maximum confrontation. And that seems reasonable.

    But that’s a future problem because their position is not guaranteed, pending electoral outcomes.

    (Speaking of Americans not understanding how it all works, Schumer cannot unilaterally up and eliminate the filibuster. 51 senators have to vote for it. In the last Dem Senate, Manchin and Sinema were willing to be the public face of the opposition — though there were almost certainly an unknown number of Dem senators similarly opposed, hiding cowardly in shadow behind those two. It’s not at all clear a Dem majority inclusive, by definition, of red/Trump state senators will have 51 votes to nuke the filibuster. So it’s up to Americans to make said demand of their senators and Senate.)

    1. The issue I see with nuking the filibuster now, is that El Taco could veto any and all bills passed this way. I’d favor a talking filibuster rule, as @gVOR08 says and for the same reasons.

      But in the first place, I agree with your first point: don’t count your senate seats before the election

      1. I like the idea of a talking filibuster too. But any change to Senate rules requires at least 51 votes. I fear there are not enough senators who want to do the work required of them should the filibuster change in any way. Then they’d actually have to work.

  8. There are many reasons to mock the conservative veneration of the constitution in America. One is that the Founders (blessed be their holy names!) did not even know what an “economy” was, let alone anticipate that governments would come to play such an important role in the way an economy functioned. That was a development that only began early last century. Consequently any “originalist” interpretation of the constitution is bound to have little relevance for contemporary governance, and to produce bizarre “solutions” to economic problems.

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